Boris Johnson Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I am really struggling to see how on earth you can spend nearly 100 million, the likely cost in the end, on such a small plot of land. The figures of 10 mill here and 2 mill there did not add up to this amount. More IOMGLS (Isle of Man Government Lies) I think. - That is a new acronym TVOR BTW USOB FFS we could have built another hospital at 1997? rates 🙂 for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: I am really struggling to see how on earth you can spend nearly 100 million, the likely cost in the end, on such a small plot of land. I think everyone is struggling to understand that All I can imagine is that the ground and the walls need substantial reinforcement works to stop it all washing away the first time the Ben sets its bowtrusters at it and washes it all to oblivion. Do you remember the heat rays? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I think everyone is struggling to understand that All I can imagine is that the ground and the walls need substantial reinforcement works to stop it all washing away the first time the Ben sets its bowtrusters at it and washes it all to oblivion. Do you remember the heat rays? Or alternately Edited January 7, 2022 by Happier diner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 As it is our money it would be great for the DOI to publish a full breakdown of works and costs ! ...... and then I woke up ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 37 minutes ago, asitis said: As it is our money it would be great for the DOI to publish a full breakdown of works and costs ! ...... and then I woke up ! FOI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: FOI? Could be, but as I understand our elected are not party to it, the people who provide the money don't stand a cat in hells chance LOL ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 It shouldn't need an FoI to be informed of ............. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Happier diner said: We don't know. But such buildings have a high cost certainty I.e what gets quoted is normally close to the actual price as they are off the peg designs with little risk. Maybe somewhere around £2M I estimate. The wharfe/ Dock is a different proposition altogether. What's £2m based on? You would expect somewhere around £3000/m2 for a building of this type for direct costs, the planning app (Link) lists it as approx 3000m2 GIA (not including canopy areas of about the same). That would put the buildings at £10-12m as a ballpark. Edited January 7, 2022 by Mercenary Formatting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Mercenary said: What's £2m based on? You would expect somewhere around £3000/m2 for a building of this type for direct costs, the planning app (Link) lists it as approx 3000m2 GIA (not including canopy areas of about the same). That would put the buildings at £10-12m as a ballpark. Fair enough. The point was though that the £70M wasn't for the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 10 hours ago, asitis said: I don't it could be FOC but as sure as hell 70 million + is going somewhere and I don't believe for one minute the politicos who voted on this have seen a full breakdown of who and for what ! Seems to be in the groundwork, not the building. Let's hope they have more than a badly stocked vending machine for refreshment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Kopek said: It shouldn't need an FoI to be informed of ............. I agree. But if you really want to know it only takes a minute.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I've seen this week claims that Peel Ports offered to build a brand new facility (at their cost) just a bit further up river... IOMSPC appear to have been happy with this. But some bright spark(s) at DOI got involved and negotiated the current arrangement which had seen us all take a £70m+ bath. There has to be a paper trail supporting this and it needs to see the light of day. Also talking to someone at the IOMSPC this week they seem concerned that the positioning of the new berth is apparently at an ideal angle for the river to wash silt into it at a good rate. Did we actually have some knowledgeable people design this or did the DOI knock the scheme together? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulos The Great Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) I was drawn to the detailed map of where the Princes Half Tide Dock is. It’s sort of the bumhole of the Mersey dock complex. Edited January 7, 2022 by Paulos The Great The Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, James Blonde said: I've seen this week claims that Peel Ports offered to build a brand new facility (at their cost) just a bit further up river... IOMSPC appear to have been happy with this. But some bright spark(s) at DOI got involved and negotiated the current arrangement which had seen us all take a £70m+ bath. There has to be a paper trail supporting this and it needs to see the light of day. Or it was all just a dream 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulos The Great Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Or it was all just a dream You are Bobby Ewing. You’ll wake up in the shower soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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