Albert Tatlock Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 11 hours ago, llap said: Actually I don't read newspapers. Or physics books...or anything really....except perhaps 'La La Daily'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861 Marine Le Pen steps down as NF leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 What a shame that the art of discussion is almost dead on the Forums at the moment. Replaced with self-proclaimers and insulters bickering. Left wing and right wing are simple monikers which compress a huge amount of complexity. We are meant to be unpacking that complexity but rather are further reducing it to "I am right" bickering with no attempt to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 7 hours ago, Tarne said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861 Marine Le Pen steps down as NF leader. Good. It amazes me that in this day and age, after two world wars, neo-nazis and the far right are still allowed to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 The French are too cowardly to vote for their own emancipation. Quite sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Chinahand said: What a shame that the art of discussion is almost dead on the Forums at the moment. Replaced with self-proclaimers and insulters bickering. Left wing and right wing are simple monikers which compress a huge amount of complexity. We are meant to be unpacking that complexity but rather are further reducing it to "I am right" bickering with no attempt to explain. Says you, you simpleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I think they are brave for standing up to growing fascism and far right hate politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 macron is just hollande's sockpuppet but with most french been thick as pigsh1t they can't see it hollande's has a rating of 4% if turnout is low lepen could win..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I agree, people who voted for Le Pen made a valiant effort against The EU fascist dictatorship and right wing hate spewing Islamism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, llap said: I agree, people who voted for Le Pen made a valiant effort against The EU fascist dictatorship and right wing hate spewing Islamism. None so blind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: None so blind... ....as a libtard....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Chinahand said: What a shame that the art of discussion is almost dead on the Forums at the moment. Replaced with self-proclaimers and insulters bickering. Left wing and right wing are simple monikers which compress a huge amount of complexity. We are meant to be unpacking that complexity but rather are further reducing it to "I am right" bickering with no attempt to explain. I fear that this is the way that debate and politics is heading. There have been plenty of examples on these forums where users have failed to cite sources of information but we also have Politicians doing the same thing. They make promises based on the populist opinion but cannot actually back up what they say in reality. A certain big red bus would be a good example of this. The internet is merely acting as an echo chamber for people of all views and further polarising views. Trying to engage in a reasoned debate is virtually impossible and therefore extremist views grow and become more entrenched. It is a worrying trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Chinahand said: What a shame that the art of discussion is almost dead on the Forums at the moment. Replaced with self-proclaimers and insulters bickering. Left wing and right wing are simple monikers which compress a huge amount of complexity. We are meant to be unpacking that complexity but rather are further reducing it to "I am right" bickering with no attempt to explain. I think that this is unsurprising. It's not just the forums. It is only reflecting wider society. The reason for it is that for decades the centrist/EU/Liberal/Globalisation writ ran and brooked no denial. It was their way or the highway. All debate was closed down and anyone who had views beyond that closed narrative was beyond the pale - extremist, racist, islamophopic, nutcase, etc. Resentment grew in silence. Now that the genie is out of the bottle, that pressure has been released. People see it as acceptable to state alternative views, they are doing so robustly and the establishment interests suddenly don't understand what has happened or what has hit them. They didn't even realise that there was a massive constituency that didn't see the world as they do and they are shocked to the core. Consequently, given their starting points any discussion between the two sides that might otherwise be constructive quickly degenerates into a slanging match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 2 hours ago, llap said: Says you, you simpleton. That's the spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 32 minutes ago, woolley said: All debate was closed down and anyone who had views beyond that closed narrative was beyond the pale - extremist, racist, islamophopic, nutcase, etc. How do you debate with the likes of Britain First, EDL, BNP, etc? The rise of neo-Nazism in this country (you know the one that fought against the Nazis) is scary and groups like those listed above are the more "polite" side of that growing movement. Also: LIBERALS!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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