The Marine Le Pen thread

[Chinahand]

4 hours ago, llap said:

Squatters 

As you know we've discussed this before ... the Palestinian and Jewish populations are basically genetically identical - they come from the same population - the original inhabitants of the region.

For Palestinians there is an influx of Arab genes - mainly on the y chromosome as high status invaders took local women.

For the Jews there is an influx of European genes (especially, obviously, in the Ashkenazi) - mainly on the x chromosome - well what is a lonely Jewish boy expected to do when he arrives in a new village.

 

 

People lived in these lands, some left, most stayed, those who stayed had less reason to use their religious identity as a marker - they were locals - and hence the culture evolved more over the millennia with elite invasions adding to a limited extent - the invaders didn't come in sufficient numbers to alter the genetics, though they were culturally powerful enough - common when invaders seize positions of power.  

Those who left kept more strongly to their religious identity - though many left the faith and assimilated into the communities they were a part of, while outsiders were drawn into the blood line, especially via a founder effect on the maternal line as new communities lacked women.

Describing one group as squatters and the other true inheritors is to be blind to the complexity of population movements and social and cultural change over millennia.

Oh ... 

[woolley]

Very scientific, Chinahand, but it won't stop 'em fighting each other. Nothing will. Ever.

[Chinahand]

Erbfeindschaft forever hey. 

[RIchard Britten]

8 hours ago, woolley said:

Very scientific, Chinahand, but it won't stop 'em fighting each other. Nothing will. Ever.

Maybe if we stopped arming both sides and watching from the side lines like watching a school yard scrap...

[woody2]

15 hours ago, mojomonkey said:

 

Where? In France (this is a thread about Le Pen after all) or in the UK?

uk, but according to manxman1980 it ain't happening, even nick libdum has talked about the 10000's in sheffield and what a problem its become, they even have a 9pm curfew....

[woolley]

1 hour ago, Chinahand said:

Erbfeindschaft forever hey. 

Indeed. Or human nature to put it another way. An exercise in attempting to apply logic to the fundamentally unfathomable.

[llap]

11 hours ago, Chinahand said:

As you know we've discussed this before ... the Palestinian and Jewish populations are basically genetically identical - they come from the same population - the original inhabitants of the region.

For Palestinians there is an influx of Arab genes - mainly on the y chromosome as high status invaders took local women.

For the Jews there is an influx of European genes (especially, obviously, in the Ashkenazi) - mainly on the x chromosome - well what is a lonely Jewish boy expected to do when he arrives in a new village.

 

 

People lived in these lands, some left, most stayed, those who stayed had less reason to use their religious identity as a marker - they were locals - and hence the culture evolved more over the millennia with elite invasions adding to a limited extent - the invaders didn't come in sufficient numbers to alter the genetics, though they were culturally powerful enough - common when invaders seize positions of power.  

Those who left kept more strongly to their religious identity - though many left the faith and assimilated into the communities they were a part of, while outsiders were drawn into the blood line, especially via a founder effect on the maternal line as new communities lacked women.

Describing one group as squatters and the other true inheritors is to be blind to the complexity of population movements and social and cultural change over millennia.

Oh ... 

Complete nonsense and pseudoscience mixed with a complete ignorance of history.

[RIchard Britten]

2 minutes ago, llap said:

Complete nonsense and pseudoscience mixed with a complete ignorance of history.

Oh dear lord...

[llap]

Sing hallelujah 

[RIchard Britten]

Are you going to use any factual evidence to counter Chinahand's post or are you just going to quote some made up numbers from a CIA "factbook" again?

[Fuller K Rapp]

What would be the point?

[RIchard Britten]

You're right of course.  There is no discussing a complicated and delicate subject like the Israel/Palestine situation with a such a ardent Zionist.

[Chinahand]

1 hour ago, woolley said:

Indeed. Or human nature to put it another way. An exercise in attempting to apply logic to the fundamentally unfathomable.

You do see the irony - it is a word created by the Germans to confirm the inevitability of conflict with the French. I imagine we'd have found such a word useful during the Hundreds Year War. 

But look political processes can end ancient enmities - or are we destined to go to war with the French too?

Do you really think Erbfeindschaft applies to the French and Germans now?

[woolley]

Never say never, China. It's too soon to tell, in the (attributed) words of Zhou Enlai. Everyone is so short termist nowadays. When the EU collapses, who knows what follows? Nothing is for ever.

[RIchard Britten]

5 minutes ago, woolley said:

When if the EU collapses, who knows what follows? Nothing is for ever.

Corrected for accuracy, unless you'd like to give us a time frame?