woody2 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 1 minute ago, RIchard Britten said: Oh goody now have worked our way around to the "in prison" derail. jack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Just now, woody2 said: jack? Of course. If he isn't JackCarter, I'm a space alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuller K Rapp Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The bottom line is this: both of the French presidential candidates are poor choices. In an ideal world, neither of them would be candidates. I can't believe a country like France with so many intelligent people would be reduced down to these two. Then again, thanks to decades of socialism and high taxation, all the intelligent people have left. So you have a nation consisting of the idiots too dumb to leave, and now we have two dumb candidates. I'd like to see a serious normal candidate who is opposed to the EU and Euro. Le Pen, even though 99% of the coverage against her is unfair propaganda, is still a headcase. But she's light years better than her rival and if you ignore 90% of her policies being full on retarded, that 10% is enough for me. The rival is 100% a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I couldn't agree more with the above assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 As there has been a debate about what Left and Right Wing means in this thread how about this test of your political orientation: 8values is, in essence, a political quiz that attempts to assign percentages for eight different political values. You will be presented by a statement, and then you will answer with your opinion on the statement, from Strongly Agree to Strongly Disagree, with each answer slightly affecting your scores. At the end of the quiz, your answers will be compared to the maximum possible for each value, thus giving you a percentage. Answer honestly! What are the eight values? There are four independent axes - Economic, Diplomatic, State, and Society - and each has two opposing values assigned to them. They are:Equality (Economic) Those with higher Equality scores believe the economy should distribute value evenly among the populace. They tend to support progressive tax codes, social programs, and at high values, socialism.Markets (Economic) Those with higher Market scores believe the economy should be focused on rapid growth. They tend to support lower taxes, privatization, deregulation, and at high values, laissez-faire capitalism.Nation (Diplomatic) Those with higher Nation scores are patriotic and nationalist. They often believe in an aggressive foreign policy, valuing the military, strength, sovereignty, and at high values, territorial expansion.Globe (Diplomatic) Those with higher Globe scores are cosmopolitan and globalist. They often believe in a peaceful foreign policy, emphasizing diplomacy, cooperation, integration, and at high values, a world government.Liberty (State) Those with higher Liberty scores believe in strong civil liberties. They tend to support democracy and oppose state intervention in personal lives. Note that this refers to civil liberties, not economic liberties.Authority (State) Those with higher Authority scores believe in strong state power. They tend to support state intervention in personal lives, government surveillance, and at high values, censorship or autocracy.Tradition (Society) Those with higher Tradition scores believe in traditional values and strict adherence to a moral code. Though not always, they are usually religious, and support the status quo or the status quo ante.Progress (Society) Those with higher Progress scores believe in social change and rationality. Though not always, they are usually secular or atheist, and support environmental action and scientific or technological research. I will say some of the questions are pretty nonsensical to me, and too dominated by American political Shibboliths. Such as: It is more important to retain peaceful relations than to further our strength. Erm talk about a false dichotomy. I'm surprise surprise a centrist: What are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 confused..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Yes, yes Woody, we all know you're confused. But why don't you take the quiz it may help clarify things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 didn't see the link edit- 70 questions ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=42.7&d=33.0&g=45.8&s=59.4 I'm closest to neo-liberalism Edit: On the quiz anyway. It's very vague. "Should better healthcare be available to those who pay more?" for example - better healthcare will ALWAYS be available to those who pay more, but that doesn't mean the base level of care is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Democratic Socialism, closest match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 What were your scores? Your posting style doesn't come over as a Democratic Socialist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Amazin innit? Didn't think the individual scores mattered, just the conclusion. Maybe I'll go back and do it again... You obviously drew some conclusions, China... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Retaken it. Social Liberalism. Economic Axis: Social. Equality 61.0%, Markets 39.0%. Diplomatic Axis: Patriotic. Nation 63.8%, World 36.2%. Civil Axis: Moderate. Liberty 55%, Authority 45%. Societal Axis: Progressive. Traditional 30.3%, Progress 69.7%. Make of it what you will. Another set of questions another set of answers. Hardly definitively accurate, I'd say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Televised debate did not go well for The Goosesteper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Televised debate did not go well for The Goosesteper Well the FN know they will not win this election anyway. It is but one battle in a long struggle. Macron will disappoint because he is of the establishment. All presentation and no substance, just like Blair. As people wake up to what is happening in their country the worm will eventually turn, even in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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