Declan Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 30 minutes ago, woolley said: What is "right wing bingo"? Sounds like something some bleeding heart moron thought up. "bleeding heart moron" He's just completed a line thanks to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I get the idea now. Well so long as they are doing that they aren't causing mischief anywhere else I suppose. I certainly couldn't be arsed with "liberal bingo" although no doubt you could produce an awful lot of buzzwords for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Hey, its not my fault right wingers love their buzzwords. Ask PK. He's good on those but a right winger he ain't. Right Whinger is about as near as he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 minute ago, woolley said: I get the idea now. Well so long as they are doing that they aren't causing mischief anywhere else I suppose. I certainly couldn't be arsed with "liberal bingo" although no doubt you could produce an awful lot of buzzwords for it. You're just jealous you didn't think of it first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Kind of like "Triggered", "Xir", "Non-Binary", "White nationalist", "fascist", "religious nuts" (but never muslim nuts, only christian nuts) It's general toilet politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Since 2008 all the economies of the western world have been rebuilding the damage wrought by the Great Recession. That in my view is the dominant factor in understanding people's political attitudes. Where the economy goes the politicians will follow - so if the Euro continues not to be an optimal currency area and if the disadvantages of regulation trump the advantages of standardisation and free trade then Woolleys predictions will come true and Euro-scepticism will advance. He is certain it will happen, reality is a lot more nuanced. France had a hugely regulated labour market which the young were shut out from - they resented that and the youth unemployment it produced The UK has a far far less regulated labour market and for all the headlines about zero hours contracts most people work full time on standard contracts in the private sector. Especially the young getting on in their lives working hard and getting increasingly fed up with paying for the welfare state etc they weren't accessing. Both France and Britain have huge coddled public sectors. The right wing have seen this as giving them political hay to play with. In France it is via Le Pen's protectionist rhetoric - we will protect you by giving you what they have - as others have noted this is in fact a traditional left wing tactic, Le Pen is a statist, nationalist, traditionalist. The young have been attracted to that via disillusion with the status quo. The UK has the Tory Party, the most successful, innovative and ruthless political party in the world - it'll turf out a leader, or change policy direction on a pin. 12 months ago the mainstream political right were Pro-EU, as were the LibDems and Labour. Youth has become increasingly right wing - this is the most important issue in Political Science at the moment and the likes of Corbyn and even Tony Blair have missed it - Corbyn because he just sees himself surrounded by young left wingers and so can't see the bigger picture, Blair because he didn't understand that almost no one else buys into the belief that a right wing Christian has to be a socialist because ... Jesus - Campbell's "we don't do God" showed up a huge void in the labour party - the fact they had chosen a Tory as their leader. Cameron and Osborne managed to get hard working youth to buy into Tory-ism - you get on, you achieve, you are socially and economically liberal. Nick Clegg bought into that rhetoric and hence the coalition. The UK brought youth into the "neo-liberal" sphere - pro-EU, pro-Trade, pro-openness - it was the old who rejected this. France never really bought into neo-liberalism and Le Pen grew her coalition via disenfranchised youth. It is interesting - I think both the UK and the EU are going to decline over the next decade - the EU because of the disadvantages of the EU, the UK for loosing its advantages! What that will do for politics in either area is going to be interesting, but they will be disconnected due to Brexit - what will be right wing policies in the UK probably won't be in the EU and vice versa. Interesting times. Woolley thinks its the end of times - I'm more optimistic, but life is never smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 54 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: Compared to the winning majority of last year's UK vote its a * landslide result! Edit ; of course you could then use the same flawed logic to conclude that this anti vote changed to 34% 2 weeks later not when you take the other votes into account, they just wouldn't vote for le pen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 15 hours ago, mojomonkey said: True, and thankfully good triumphed. By definition fascism is right wing isn't it though? https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=fascism+definition No. Fascism is not right wing. By its very nature, fascism involves big government, corporatism, state monopolies to corporations, collusion between big, and above all else it is rooted in a form of national or international collectivism. Fascism by its definition fits the current system of government used in almost every major so-called democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 13 hours ago, mojomonkey said: True, I was merely responding to the reference to Hitler's fascism. Please don't say someone will now dispute that he was a fascist? Please don't tell us anyone with a brain would dispute that the EU is fascist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 13 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Alone? Really? Are you sure about that? United States of America, Russia, Australia, Canada and a whole host of other countries may have something to say about that claim (Yes, I know some of them were part of the British Empire but remember we don't like immigrants). Let's not forget as well the resistance fighters in all the occupied countries who helped gather intelligence and disrupt the German war effort. What a dumb comment. Of course allies eventually joined us. But in 1939 we were alone, other friends on the continent defeated, Russia not in it due to a Stalin-Hitler pact at the time, and the American establishment very pro-Nazi at the time and not wanting to e ter the war. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 2 hours ago, woody2 said: as the eu shows its real face and turns nasty, greater support for exit will happen, the last uk poll showed support at 70% for leaving the eu. the more juncker and tusk etc. speak the more support the tories will get, and expect a european backlash if any eu country loses trade, visitors or access to the uk.... The EU is just responding to the tactics being used by Theresa May. The EU must represent the interests of the remaining member states. If May used a more conciliatory tone then I am sure the EU would respond in kind. As we are now committed to Brexit, it is in everyone's interest to make it work, however, May is using it as a political toy and knows that by looking tough and being able to point to an "aggressive" EU she can make gains at the general election. What a lot of people are missing is that the EU are only being aggressive because it is being provoked by May. The EU had to respond to her and try and set the record straight. If the UK loses a trade deal with the EU then it is May and her Government that should be on the receiving end of a backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Tarne said: Kind of like "Triggered", "Xir", "Non-Binary", "White nationalist", "fascist", "religious nuts" (but never muslim nuts, only christian nuts) It's general toilet politics Cultural appropriation, sexist microaggression, racism, "alt" right (whatever that is), safe space..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 minute ago, llap said: What a dumb comment. Of course allies eventually joined us. But in 1939 we were alone, other friends on the continent defeated, Russia not in it due to a Stalin-Hitler pact at the time, and the American establishment very pro-Nazi at the time and not wanting to e ter the war. Sigh. France had not surrendered in 1939... The US was very isolationist and did not want to get involved and even the UK Government had tried appeasement with Hitler so please stop making crap up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Chinahand said: Since 2008 all the economies of the western world have been rebuilding the damage wrought by the Great Recession. That in my view is the dominant factor in understanding people's political attitudes. We still haven't recovered from the 1929 Great Depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: France had not surrendered in 1939... The US was very isolationist and did not want to get involved and even the UK Government had tried appeasement with Hitler so please stop making crap up. Oh get a clue. France had not surrended yet. Lol. France hadn't done anything yet. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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