jaymann Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Banker said: Is that on website? Not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 12/16/2020 at 6:16 PM, madmanxpilot said: Not so sure about that. The airfield has be opened for it with ATC in attendance. If they moved to a helicopter based service with something like an H145 it could work unrestricted from the pad at Nobles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giggleberrys Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 9:58 AM, Derek Flint said: If they moved to a helicopter based service with something like an H145 it could work unrestricted from the pad at Nobles. I guess that would be cost prohibitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Giggleberrys said: I guess that would be cost prohibitive Helicopters are limited by weather more than fixed wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Giggleberrys said: I guess that would be cost prohibitive Not necessarily so. Factor out a lot of things like airport opening, transfer times, and even down to be able to lift directly from a scene to a NW Centre of excellence and the investment makes more sense. 2 hours ago, Major Rushen said: Helicopters are limited by weather more than fixed wing. You’d be surprised. The H145 is a massively resilient airframe. The Cayman Islands have two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 48 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Not necessarily so. Factor out a lot of things like airport opening, transfer times, and even down to be able to lift directly from a scene to a NW Centre of excellence and the investment makes more sense. You’d be surprised. The H145 is a massively resilient airframe. The Cayman Islands have two. We still have to pay the airport staff and facilities. Most of the time patients are better being stabilised before transfer to a centre of excellence. IOM ambulance response times are good. A full time helicopter, with proper crew cover, maintenance, is a very expensive luxury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 minute ago, John Wright said: We still have to pay the airport staff and facilities. Most of the time patients are better being stabilised before transfer to a centre of excellence. IOM ambulance response times are good. A full time helicopter, with proper crew cover, maintenance, is a very expensive luxury. Two it is then! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, finlo said: Two it is then! And Cayman Islands weather please. 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 41 minutes ago, John Wright said: We still have to pay the airport staff and facilities. Most of the time patients are better being stabilised before transfer to a centre of excellence. IOM ambulance response times are good. A full time helicopter, with proper crew cover, maintenance, is a very expensive luxury. Not according to senior ED staff. In most cases a decision at the scene can have them at the very best Centre in reach of the golden hour. running from the pad at Nobles, with bunkered fuel means you don’t have to fire up ATC, Fire Etc if there is a flight to be made after hours. And because you are operating pad to pad, there is literally hours saved at both. Ends 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Not according to senior ED staff. In most cases a decision at the scene can have them at the very best Centre in reach of the golden hour. running from the pad at Nobles, with bunkered fuel means you don’t have to fire up ATC, Fire Etc if there is a flight to be made after hours. And because you are operating pad to pad, there is literally hours saved at both. Ends Do most of the places we use across have a landing pad? No! So where are they going to land? What has been the demand outside Ronaldsway ATC opening hours. Are most emergency patient transfers a&e casualties from a community event, or from patients who have been previously admitted and deteriorated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, John Wright said: Do most of the places we use across have a landing pad? No! So where are they going to land? What has been the demand outside Ronaldsway ATC opening hours. Are most emergency patient transfers a&e casualties from a community event, or from patients who have been previously admitted and deteriorated. https://www.thewaltoncentre.nhs.uk/News/361/first-air-ambulance-lands-on-major-trauma-helipad.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillside Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 9:58 AM, Derek Flint said: If they moved to a helicopter based service with something like an H145 it could work unrestricted from the pad at Nobles. I think this would require the pad(s) at the hospital to become licensed, this in itself may be costly and require additional legislation and facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 H145 is the right aircraft for the job. Wales and Devon use them so determining the annual budget would be a phone call. If it was the Air ambulance would we need a back up - a Fleet of 2 with a back up crew. What if we contacted Wales to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Derek Flint said: Not necessarily so. Factor out a lot of things like airport opening, transfer times, and even down to be able to lift directly from a scene to a NW Centre of excellence and the investment makes more sense. You’d be surprised. The H145 is a massively resilient airframe. The Cayman Islands have two. Helicopters can operate in much lower visibility than fixed wing aircraft, visual flight rules for a helo means clear of cloud and in sight of the surface, for a fixed wing aircraft minimum in flight visibilities are required depending upon the classification of the airspace being flown in. Operating from the hospital would be done under VFR rules, so, if there was a fog which prevented fixed wing aircraft landing at the airport, a helicopter may well be able to at either the airport or the hospital. I'm less certain of helicopter wind limitations - although as they don't need a runway, they could potentially always take off and land into wind which is normally the limiting factor for fixed wing aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Hillside said: I think this would require the pad(s) at the hospital to become licensed, this in itself may be costly and require additional legislation and facilities. Not so sure about that - air ambulances don't need to use licensed fields as far as I know. They certainly don't when they are attending incidents.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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