Derek Flint Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 7 hours ago, John Wright said: Do most of the places we use across have a landing pad? No! So where are they going to land? What has been the demand outside Ronaldsway ATC opening hours. Are most emergency patient transfers a&e casualties from a community event, or from patients who have been previously admitted and deteriorated. 4 hours ago, Hillside said: I think this would require the pad(s) at the hospital to become licensed, this in itself may be costly and require additional legislation and facilities. Works everywhere else. I actually think they already are, as they are used for sustained ops during TT and MGP 2 hours ago, Major Rushen said: H145 is the right aircraft for the job. Wales and Devon use them so determining the annual budget would be a phone call. If it was the Air ambulance would we need a back up - a Fleet of 2 with a back up crew. What if we contacted Wales to do it? Worst case coastguard can infil. 2 hours ago, madmanxpilot said: Helicopters can operate in much lower visibility than fixed wing aircraft, visual flight rules for a helo means clear of cloud and in sight of the surface, for a fixed wing aircraft minimum in flight visibilities are required depending upon the classification of the airspace being flown in. Operating from the hospital would be done under VFR rules, so, if there was a fog which prevented fixed wing aircraft landing at the airport, a helicopter may well be able to at either the airport or the hospital. I'm less certain of helicopter wind limitations - although as they don't need a runway, they could potentially always take off and land into wind which is normally the limiting factor for fixed wing aircraft. Starting and stopping the rotor is authorized with wind from any horizontal direction up to 50 kts Hover with wind Maximum relative wind speed from any direction except headwind plus or minus 10° is 30kts When flying with relative winds of more than 25 kts from the left, increased control activity and or large pedal inputs may be required to maintain aircraft heading. you can fly round most of the problems. Plus it is a much smoother ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Don't forget the pads at the hospital are in a dip and designed to be more sheltered from the wind with banked verges surrounding them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 33 minutes ago, jaymann said: Don't forget the pads at the hospital are in a dip and designed to be more sheltered from the wind with banked verges surrounding them. Which will cause more operational difficulties due to low level turbulence and windshear when it's very windy. The laminar flow of wind over flat terrain is the ideal operating environment for all types aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 hours ago, madmanxpilot said: Which will cause more operational difficulties due to low level turbulence and windshear when it's very windy. The laminar flow of wind over flat terrain is the ideal operating environment for all types aircraft. What about the top floor of the M&S car park in town? It was build with the idea of landing helicopters on there in the event of an emergency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 8 hours ago, AlanShimmin said: What about the top floor of the M&S car park in town? It was build with the idea of landing helicopters on there in the event of an emergency. Will an ambulance fit in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, finlo said: Will an ambulance fit in there? No. And the wind shear caused by Victory and Quilliam house and the old church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Think of the increased walking distances for the shoppers too with the loss of carparking. Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAsHell Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Landing on parked cars might be tricky as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I'm surprised they haven't built a helipad in the new prom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 The sea cat used to have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, jaymann said: I'm surprised they haven't built a helipad in the new prom. Ye gods, please don't give them anymore ideas and excuses to delay it by building an over-engineered and over-budget helipad! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, John Wright said: No. And the wind shear caused by Victory and Quilliam house and the old church. Sorted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerremonside Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 1/9/2021 at 6:28 PM, madmanxpilot said: Not so sure about that - air ambulances don't need to use licensed fields as far as I know. They certainly don't when they are attending incidents.... I think that formalising the arrangement and making it regular is what would trigger a need to make it a licensed operation. The subtle difference is that rescue operations are in effect CAT A flights. Patient transfers are seldom of that level of seriousness and would therefore be classified as purer public transport, hence the need for the dreaded licensing regulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 All we need is the new monorail terminal with a helipad on the roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, piebaps said: All we need is the new monorail terminal with a helipad on the roof. Lined with felt for sound-deadening. Win win win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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