John Wright Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: I know, I was just being a bit silly. But it's like the flybe flight to Liverpool first thing in the morning, which isn't a flybe flight at all. That’s changed as well, now it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Clearly I don't travel enough to know what I'm talking about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: He's had to step it up cos his moronic mate has done one. Not sure he has, but I would not blame him if he has left. The quality of posting on here is way below what it has been for many years. The puppet thing is just beyond belief. The schoolyard bullying is so bad now that many posters are scared to post what they want for fear of being ridiculed or abused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Not sure he has, but I would not blame him if he has left. The quality of posting on here is way below what it has been for many years. The puppet thing is just beyond belief. The schoolyard bullying is so bad now that many posters are scared to post what they want for fear of being ridiculed or abused. You don’t help, dilli. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: 9 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Not sure he has, but I would not blame him if he has left. The quality of posting on here is way below what it has been for many years. The puppet thing is just beyond belief. The schoolyard bullying is so bad now that many posters are scared to post what they want for fear of being ridiculed or abused. You don’t help, dilli. Really ? Look a bit deeper John. Edit to add that you were very quick to ban or suspend posters, without looking to the background. Same now. Edited November 16, 2018 by dilligaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Really ? Look a bit deeper John. Edit to add that you were very quick to ban or suspend posters, without looking to the background. Same now. I see TSOS laughed at that post. Maybe if I can locate all my old PMs I can show you in a different light eh ? See how many laughing emoji thingys you post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I see the thread has taken a nose-dive, never mind flybe's profits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, quilp said: I see the thread has taken a nose-dive, never mind flybe's profits... Well then post something interesting instead of commenting on others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Well then post something interesting instead of commenting on others. Oh the irony. Commenting on others? Let's see now... Manxy should be, amongst other base insults, sectioned; paul's got right is a paranoid and deluded moron who needs to get a life; LC is, bizarrely, some old hag who doesn't get enough, along with other brazen outbursts of obvious misogyny. And that's just tonight's fayre! Only a few posts ago you were suggesting "many posters were too scared to post what they wanted for fear of being abused or ridiculed!" Lol! Once again you've entered a thread, displaying scant knowledge of the subject matter, not to add to, only detract from it. And when you're pulled-up on occasion you compound the situation by doubling-down on the insults. Don’t you see..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, quilp said: Oh the irony. Commenting on others? Let's see now... Manxy should be, amongst other base insults, sectioned; paul's got right is a paranoid and deluded moron who needs to get a life; LC is, bizarrely, some old hag who doesn't get enough, along with other brazen outbursts of obvious misogyny. And that's just tonight's fayre! Only a few posts ago you were suggesting "many posters were too scared to post what they wanted for fear of being abused or ridiculed!" Lol! Once again you've entered a thread, displaying scant knowledge of the subject matter, not to add to, only detract from it. And when you're pulled-up on occasion you compound the situation by doubling-down on the insults. Don’t you see..? and once again you have posted about a fellow poster instead of posting an opinion about the threads subject. what was it I said about schoolyard bullies ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck of Atholl Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) I don't know much ( anything really) about the airline business but i believe the value lies in the "slots" that an airline has for take off and landing. I would also imagine that the key IOM routes to UK particularly the Liverpool slots which usually fill a plane must be worth having by some airline. Edited November 17, 2018 by The Duck of Atholl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, The Duck of Atholl said: I don't know much ( anything really) about the airline business but i believe the value lies in the "slots" that an airline has for take off and landing. I would also imagine that the key IOM routes to UK particularly the Liverpool slots which usually fill a plane must be worth having by some airline. Given where they fly to, and how busy most of the airports aren’t, slots on most flybe routes have no value whatsoever. It’s only when an airport is at full capacity, or if the slots are at otherwise full peak times that they have any value. Liverpool isn’t full, any time, any day. The value, if any, lies in ongoing business, goodwill, cash, being sole operator on the routes they fly, seat occupancy rates, hours in air as opposed to on ground per plane less debt and takes into account any anticipated changes, increased fuel cost, seasonal downturns, new aircraft costs in pipeline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, John Wright said: Given where they fly to, and how busy most of the airports aren’t, slots on most flybe routes have no value whatsoever. It’s only when an airport is at full capacity, or if the slots are at otherwise full peak times that they have any value. Liverpool isn’t full, any time, any day. The value, if any, lies in ongoing business, goodwill, cash, being sole operator on the routes they fly, seat occupancy rates, hours in air as opposed to on ground per plane less debt and takes into account any anticipated changes, increased fuel cost, seasonal downturns, new aircraft costs in pipeline. I find it surprising that FlyBe (Stobart) operate 5 returns to Manchester each day (not sure about weekends). There simply can’t be sufficient bums on seats to merit that many flights. As for Liverpool, EasyJet must be hoovering up that demand, with the capacity of the 319 and the rock bottom fares. The BA-Logan Air LCY service seems to tick over but is never full in my experience, so whether or not that makes money I couldn’t say. As for FlyBe (Stobart) Birmingham, in my experience that’s also always more than half full, but rarely if ever full. I never travel on the Scottish routes or to Dublin. All in all, apart from the invariably 100% full EasyJet services, I don’t think our routes are likely to be big earners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Stobart are no longer operating the wet leases for flybe, nor under franchise from Southend. That all ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Manx, when set up, was the ideal operating business plan to serve the Island. All routes one monopoly operator with IoM as hub, engineering all based here. Lowering overhead costs. They also chose their planes carefully so that they matched seats to route capacity per day, the 360’s flying 6 full returns, whereas that’s a single 320 rotation. How that would work today competing with budgets, I’m not sure. Aurigny, owned by States of Guernsey is losing them £4-5 million a year and isn’t reliable. They now want £100 million to get new planes. Be careful what you wish for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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