NoTailT Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Manxberry said: I imagine it's being done with the best of intentions by someone inexperienced but as soon as the authorities notice they're fucked. Last I checked, it's not illegal? Unless the rules changed after the M2/Citywing fiasco. Still think I'd hold my breath for Loganair though. Edited March 14, 2020 by NoTailT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) The Dornier 328 Jet is a much smarter and more modern piece of kit than the heap of ancient junk the Government managed to get. However successful, or otherwise, this turns out to be, these folk have looked beyond the obvious solution, unlike the DoI. Edited March 14, 2020 by Nellie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, Manxberry said: Hats off to them? It's the same IP address as the Bitcoin conference people so it's just some kid with a load of bitcoin money. There's no ATOL protection, there's no go ahead from the aviation authorities. It's a farce about to happen. The IP address will be because they are based in the same office as the bitcoin lot, as The Teapot pointed out. So it isn't necessarily the same people. And no flight-only operations are covered by ATOL - that's for packages. What has been agreed with the authorities is another matter - but the latter won't be confirming it as they don't seem to do weekends. Or indeed much in the way of information (whatever did happen to that announcement Harmer and Black promised us on Friday?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) Anyone can hire a desk in there. https://www.hubb.im/office-space/ Edited March 14, 2020 by TheTeapot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Last I checked, it's not illegal? Unless the rules changed after the M2/Citywing fiasco. Still think I'd hold my breath for Loganair though. I think it's very much frowned upon. Citywing was practically forced to cease trading when the air operators licence was withdrawn from its flying contractor whose name escapes me for the moment. They attempted to hang in by rebooking larger aircraft, but within days the numbers wouldn't work and the game was up. It's a poor business model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, woolley said: I think it's very much frowned upon. Citywing was practically forced to cease trading when the air operators licence was withdrawn from its flying contractor whose name escapes me for the moment. They attempted to hang in by rebooking larger aircraft, but within days the numbers wouldn't work and the game was up. It's a poor business model. Van Air or something wasn't it? Czech I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, TheTeapot said: Van Air or something wasn't it? Czech I think. Van Air Europe, yes! Didnt theguys at CW have some invested involvment in the airline too as I recall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxberry Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Ettyl haven't even got a foreign carrier permit sorted or likely even know what one is. Citywing were great, up until VanAir Europe were told to cease operating in the UK. The CAA wouldn't have done that for any other airline. VanAir are still operating around Europe fine and within EASA rules, so obviously a case of "Not British, go away". The CAA are going to be left kicking themselves when the only airlines left operating in the UK are foreign headquartered with Brexit though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Manxberry said: Ettyl haven't even got a foreign carrier permit sorted or likely even know what one is. Citywing were great, up until VanAir Europe were told to cease operating in the UK. The CAA wouldn't have done that for any other airline. VanAir are still operating around Europe fine and within EASA rules, so obviously a case of "Not British, go away". The CAA are going to be left kicking themselves when the only airlines left operating in the UK are foreign headquartered with Brexit though! I dont think the operator, in ettyls case sun-air, would require one for domestic flights. Even still, im happy to see flights, but this really isnt the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Manxberry said: Citywing were great Really? Weren't they basically just Manx2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Just now, pongo said: Really? Weren't they basically just Manx2? Basically the crash happened, Noel sold up... David Buck went from operations to MD and operators changed. The rest is history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, NoTailT said: The rest is history? Yes. Thank goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxberry Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) I used to fly to/from Belfast and Gloucester all the time, loads of flights per day. Beats now where it's two flights a week if I'm lucky. Affected my business quite a lot. But everyone else is seeing that now with the FlyBe collapse so you know, swings and roundabouts Edited March 14, 2020 by Manxberry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Manxberry said: Ettyl haven't even got a foreign carrier permit sorted or likely even know what one is. As Sun Air already operate into London City, Manchester & Cambridge I’d assume they already have that? Aren't Ettyl just acting as exclusive ticket sales agents? Not a virtual airline like CityWing? Looks like the short term services to Liverpool and Manchester, in 32 seat jets are a method by Sun Air to use spare capacity from cancelled flights in its BA Citiexpress franchise due to current uncertainties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, woolley said: Yes. Thank goodness. I think Buck is in some kind of Gov role now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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