woolley Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 This will give Michael Gove, Liam Fox and Boris Johnson hard-ons for weeks. How so? What has it to do with them? Is this in the right thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerrydandridge Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 A more obvious false flag, I can't think of. Do you think so?.....I mean Assad and Russia were on the verge of victory by driving out the western proxy terrorist army, surely the next obvious move of genius for Assad to do would be to stage a chemical attack against his own people, it probably never occurred to him that it may be opening himself to worldwide condemnation and bring humiliation to his Russian allies.....surely this chemical attack by Assad is an act of military genius, just look at all the gains it has made for his government and what a blow it has been for the western interlopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxb&b Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 https://www.facebook.com/United.Syrian.Republic/videos/1965850500315774/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Peter Ford, former British Ambassador to Syria is adamant that Assad did not launch the sarin gas attack..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 8, 2017 Author Share Posted April 8, 2017 It's that completely obvious a false flag that i'm waiting for some kind of twist to the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 8, 2017 Author Share Posted April 8, 2017 But in the meantime one can learn a lot from politicians when you actually know they are lying, the sheer desperation they are showing to smear russia alongside them. Food for thought for mr xi because he is getting some of this soon in relation to mr kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 I suspect that the Trump team telling the world the other day, inluding Assad, that removing the current Syrian regime was not a US objective probably wasn't the smartest thing to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 8, 2017 Author Share Posted April 8, 2017 You may be right pk butI thought it was to sort of look like trump was going to tolerate assad but now he has killed beautiful babies trump has had enough. Trump gets to look humanitarian and tough and decisive all at the same time. Pure hollywood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 8, 2017 Author Share Posted April 8, 2017 The uncomfortable question is if it wasn't assads forces that used it then who did those that did use it get the sarin from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 I know it makes me sound like gerrydandridge but it all gives the impression that the only ones to have a positive outcome from this are those who would want to make Trump act like a conventional US president and make it difficult for him to get chummy with Putin. That has been achieved. So who would that be then? Not Assad. Not the Russians. Not anyone in Syria who had the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Are you kidding me or what? Trump acts in a positive manner and everyone expects it to be part of a strategy that they just don't have. Well, quelle surprise! Get real... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 What do you mean by that? Think it through. Who benefits from this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 What do you mean by that? Think it through. Who benefits from this? Lets hear your thoughts on who benefits from this? Clue : it's not the victims... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 We don't really know anything about this. Drawing conclusions based on nothing more than gut feels is very unlikely to get you anywhere. 1000s of people have been killed in Sarin and chlorine attacks in Syria. The entire country is in chaos and both/all sides could have access to these weapons - Assad had them before the conflict and multiple units have rebelled and military bases fallen since then. By far the most likely theories are that the munitions are either 1) Assad's owned and delivered, or stolen from him by the rebels and either 2) damaged in a conventional raid or 3) deliberately used by them to try to implicate Assad - they've every reason to want to do this on their own without any 4) further conspiracies. It looks like many people are assuming it is 3) or even 4), based on what I'm not exactly sure. My understanding is that the Russian's say 2). The narrative is that Assad had won and had no reason to do it. I suspect his victory is less clear cut and there are many desparate struggles still to be fought. Here's the New York Time's take. Assad's forces have starved, tortured and poisoned 100s of thousands in this war. It isn't impossible his forces thought they had impunity to act. Personally I have no idea what happened, but Assad is a monster - his kneel or starve campaigns show that beyond doubt. The use of such violence cannot create a stable polity - he knows millions of people would gladly hang him on a gibbet - the only way he can stay in power is via terror. He cannot be a part of any stable solution to Syria's nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 He cannot be a part of any stable solution to Syria's nightmare. Fine speech, China, but they said that about Saddam Hussein and Mohamar Gaddafi. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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