pongo Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 52 minutes ago, John Wright said: i suspect that it's a self limiting thing and runs its course, sooner, or later, and that extreme reaction is likely to make the finish later. The tactics will outlive the cause. People will do the same things and worse for different reasons. Anything you can imagine, someone will do. Sooner or later. This stuff does not get uninvented. The PIRA invented the car bomb by accident. These tactics and methods don't get uninvented. After Islamic extremism it will be something else. Probably worse. Media is a big part of this. It's all about the spectacle. There have been a lot of strong examples along the way, the things that make images - the big PLO hijackings of the 70s - cameras on the end of missiles during the first Gulf War - and then the oil well fires - the big IRA City bombs - 9/11 obviously. It's all about TV and now Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, woolley said: Right. So the less we do about it the better and all will be well. Fantastic. Mind you. That's about the size of what we've been doing to date. No. There's lots we can do, but knee jerk lock em up and string em high has a proven failure record. 1. No faith schools allowed, across the board. 2. All Friday, Saturday and Sunday schools to be regulated and inspected 3. Stronger teaching of British values of equality, fairness and inclusion. thats just a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: No. There's lots we can do, but knee jerk lock em up and string em high has a proven failure record. 1. No faith schools allowed, across the board. 2. All Friday, Saturday and Sunday schools to be regulated and inspected 3. Stronger teaching of British values of equality, fairness and inclusion. thats just a start. I like all that apart from the plain and simple fact that equality is simply not possible with a tory government... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I fully accept that proposition. Another reason not to vote May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 20 minutes ago, John Wright said: 1. No faith schools allowed, across the board. 2. All Friday, Saturday and Sunday schools to be regulated and inspected 3. Stronger teaching of British values of equality, fairness and inclusion. all good tory policies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 33 minutes ago, P.K. said: I like all that apart from the plain and simple fact that equality is simply not possible with a tory government... 26 minutes ago, John Wright said: I fully accept that proposition. Another reason not to vote May. Right. So who is the saviour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 37 minutes ago, woolley said: Right. So who is the saviour? There is no holy grail, magic wand or saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 hour ago, P.K. said: I like all that apart from the plain and simple fact that equality is simply not possible with a tory government... Equality is simply not possible - accept it. Socialist/Labour ideology is to drag everyone down to the same level of mediocrity/poverty, which doesn't work. At least not in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 It doesn't work anywhere; even in the great socialist/communist states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 PS that doesn't mean society shouldn't be compassionate and supportive of those less fortunate, more challenged or just different. But we are all individuals and should be allowed to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkle Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 But the snowflake libtards keep saying "give it time",WHAT give the bastards time to kill more INNOCENT people while legislation is enacted and scrutinised by that fucking commie Corbin,no fucking about boys shoot the bastards no questions asked no need for ipcc to be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurricanII Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 There are a couple of good TED talks from former violent radical Muslims and a view on how muslim kids end up separated from society and easier to radicalise. https://www.ted.com/talks/deeyah_khan_what_we_don_t_know_about_europe_s_muslim_kids The problem is that many muslims are told that integration/friendship with non-muslims is not allowed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4D_OLm-RV4 Islam needs reforming as previously said. In the short term, close faith schools including madrasas as JW says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkle Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 3 hours ago, TurricanII said: There are a couple of good TED talks from former violent radical Muslims and a view on how muslim kids end up separated from society and easier to radicalise. https://www.ted.com/talks/deeyah_khan_what_we_don_t_know_about_europe_s_muslim_kids The problem is that many muslims are told that integration/friendship with non-muslims is not allowed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4D_OLm-RV4 Islam needs reforming as previously said. In the short term, close faith schools including madrasas as JW says. A sensible post from you,are you I'll?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 5 hours ago, John Wright said: No. There's lots we can do, but knee jerk lock em up and string em high has a proven failure record. 1. No faith schools allowed, across the board. 2. All Friday, Saturday and Sunday schools to be regulated and inspected 3. Stronger teaching of British values of equality, fairness and inclusion. thats just a start. Black ops unit targeting known problems. Many of these people involved recently should all have been taken out beforehand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, notwell said: Black ops unit targeting known problems. Many of these people involved recently should all have been taken out beforehand Now that's REALLY piss-poor trolling. Even by your extremely low standards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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