woody2 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 another non- terrorism crime unless your richard..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40604002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Reasonably interesting link from the Crown Prosecution Service. The only right wing terrorist offence dealt with by the UK in recent years was the murder of Jo Cox. Terrorist Organisations There is no one type of terrorist or terrorism. It originates from a variety of countries and terrorists have multiple ethnic, racial, religious and or political identities and have different views, aims and purposes. Here are some examples: Syria The most common type of CPS terrorism case has been Syria-related since Daesh took over large areas of Syria and Iraq from 2014 onwards. Daesh tactics are geared to attract maximum publicity to amplify the spread of fear; they use violence against anyone who does not agree with their extreme views. The CPS prosecuted Junead and Shazib Khan for offences of preparing acts of terrorism. Extreme Right Wing Recent years have seen a rise in cases of far right extremism in the UK. Far right extremists promote messages of hate-filled prejudice which can encourage radicalisation among people motivated by race hate. Groups including (the now proscribed) National Action have been under scrutiny for promoting offensive, anti-Islamic messages which run contrary to the values of respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs. The CPS continues to work to combat those who seek to sow hatred and division by advancing extremist ideologies and in 2016 the CPS prosecuted Thomas Mair for the terrorist murder of Jo Cox MP. Al-Qaeda Al-Qaeda is a militant Islamist multi-national organisation, responsible for the 9/11 co-ordinated terror attacks in the US. The group uses conventional techniques seeking to recruit new members in the UK to achieve mass civilian casualties. The CPS prosecuted Rangzieb Ahmed and Habib Ahmed for Al-Qaeda related terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 On 15/07/2017 at 9:02 AM, woody2 said: another non- terrorism crime unless your richard..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40604002 Interesting how you "read" this. One (the "lads" in London") were purely from criminal enterprise (i.e. robbing people after throwing acid* in their face), the other was trying to spread political and ideology hate through his act of violence. * "Acid" is being used a generic term in the news, for anything that could cause extreme irritation/damage to the skin. Bleach for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: Interesting how you "read" this. One (the "lads" in London") were purely from criminal enterprise (i.e. robbing people after throwing acid* in their face), the other was trying to spread political and ideology hate through his act of violence. * "Acid" is being used a generic term in the news, for anything that could cause extreme irritation/damage to the skin. Bleach for example. you don't know any of that is fact..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, woody2 said: you don't know any of that is fact..... Depends how you personally define "fact"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 you don't know if the white bloke was trying to rob them- you don't know if the blokes on the bikes did it because of skin colour... and they aren't terrorist related...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 ..........anyone read, 'Radicals', by Jamie Bartlett ??....very relevant and to be recommended as a great help understanding the particular definitions and nuances when discussing radical social behaviour, IMO...............Personally I believe nothing is black or white it is always a shade of grey, almost saying there are few, 'facts', (depending of course on one's definition of, 'fact')...............maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, woody2 said: you don't know if the white bloke was trying to rob them- you don't know if the blokes on the bikes did it because of skin colour... and they aren't terrorist related...... Well "the white bloke" didn't rob his two victims, the two "lads on bikes" actually did (one has been charged with three counts of robbery, possession and handling of stolen goods and four counts of attempted robbery). The "white bloke" stood up in court blowing kisses, waved and smiled to the crowd. Adding that to the fact that the guys social media accounts were full of extreme right wing posts from groups such as the usual suspects EDl/BF/KTI... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: Well "the white bloke" didn't rob his two victims, the two "lads on bikes" actually did (one has been charged with three counts of robbery, possession and handling of stolen goods and four counts of attempted robbery). The "white bloke" stood up in court blowing kisses, waved and smiled to the crowd. Adding that to the fact that the guys social media accounts were full of extreme right wing posts from groups such as the usual suspects EDl/BF/KTI... but not charged with terrorism, so nothing to do with this thread..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 18 hours ago, woody2 said: but not charged with terrorism, so nothing to do with this thread..... As already explained (several times), the dictionary definition and what the man is charged with are different things. Some one as "legally qualified" as you should be able to tell the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Richard, it is a sad fact of life that some husbands routinely terrorise their wives - it does not make them terrorists. You are committing a category error by continually trying to conflate two different things. Thugs certainly terrorise people, but the crime of terrorism is far more than that. Our society has to do more to stop both violent thuggery and fight organised terrorism, there isn't a lot of overlap between these two things. You make them out to be basically synonymous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Richard, it is a sad fact of life that some husbands routinely terrorise their wives - it does not make them terrorists. You are committing a category error by continually trying to conflate two different things. Thugs certainly terrorise people, but the crime of terrorism is far more than that. Our society has to do more to stop both violent thuggery and fight organised terrorism, there isn't a lot of overlap between these two things. You make them out to be basically synonymous. Do you think that if john Tomlin was actually called Muhammed Taliban, and the couple attacked was Mrs And Mr Kentish Whitefolk, that it would not have been treated as a terrorist attack? Do you also believe there isn't a growing extremist Islamaphobic element which is resorting to violence (Finsbury Park and now the acid attack?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 nope..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/many-people-killed-terrorist-attacks-uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 It's good to see that Patriotic attacks are up too, defending the country on a street by street level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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