Kopek Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Appriciate your view Thommo but those occasions could be different from DUI, yes, it could be detected but what debilitation was there to driving??? That is what I was driving at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 14 hours ago, Kopek said: Appriciate your view Thommo but those occasions could be different from DUI, yes, it could be detected but what debilitation was there to driving??? That is what I was driving at. There doesn't have to be debilitating to driving its the same with drink driving there's a limit and if you're over you're over doesn't matter how well you were driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Urgent warning after two 'near fatal' Heroin overdoses Always sad of course when anyone ends up in hospital in any situation, but this situation is pure self-inflicted. I would like to know if these people start their druggy careers on a bit of a spliff at a party, say, listening to some music and 'chilling'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 9 minutes ago, Barlow said: Urgent warning after two 'near fatal' Heroin overdoses Always sad of course when anyone ends up in hospital in any situation, but this situation is pure self-inflicted. I would like to know if these people start their druggy careers on a bit of a spliff at a party, say, listening to some music and 'chilling'. There seem to have been warnings about this dodgy/strong batch kicking about for a few weeks. Lots of official and personal advisories for users to be carrying the anti-OD kits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bees Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 22 hours ago, Barlow said: Urgent warning after two 'near fatal' Heroin overdoses Always sad of course when anyone ends up in hospital in any situation, but this situation is pure self-inflicted. I would like to know if these people start their druggy careers on a bit of a spliff at a party, say, listening to some music and 'chilling'. No, not at all, the majority of people that I know with drug problems had terrible lives, bad company, bad parents, absolutely nothing good in their lives, let’s be honest, if your life is so ace why would you want to take heroin? It’s not that good so anyone who takes it really does have nothing worth living for. The “have some more to make yourself better” mentality astounds me, how is anyone that stupid? I had pethidine when I had my daughter 30 years ago, never been so sick in all my days, aside from the sick, it was really nice but on the scale of fun to pain and inconvenience, I don’t think I’d have more (ever). I won’t even have Co-codamol these days & ibuprofen gives me nightmares so I’m lucky to be healthy and not in pain, I know people that became addicted to drugs their doctor prescribed, I have sympathy for anyone with addictions… off for a quick game of solitaire …3 hours later It’s never simple though. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) I have to admit that the big druggies I know (and knew..) were much the opposite. We all have our problems of course and they are all relative. Some wanted to be rock stars and had the drugs and hellraising bit and I suppose the talent too, but just like Pearl the Singer, they never made it. Others just think it's so fooken cool to take drugs. The having a hard life bit then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I wonder do people who have been in a war zone, lost family to the war, seen horrors and I mean real horrors, lost home and everything else, etc, etc. Do majority of them become heroin addicts? I s'pose some do, but I wonder if they come to a drugs party on the streets of UK what they think of the reasons our druggies became druggies? I know some of them, the worst I have heard is "My Mum died and my life went down from there". That one was from a forty year old man on the streets of Leeds. ETA just thinking, in fairness he could have been 14 when that happened, but even so, I bet he had never even heard of say, Gaza. Edited April 17 by Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sign in Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 9 hours ago, 2bees said: No, not at all, the majority of people that I know with drug problems had terrible lives, bad company, bad parents, absolutely nothing good in their lives, let’s be honest, if your life is so ace why would you want to take heroin? It’s not that good so anyone who takes it really does have nothing worth living for. The “have some more to make yourself better” mentality astounds me, how is anyone that stupid? I had pethidine when I had my daughter 30 years ago, never been so sick in all my days, aside from the sick, it was really nice but on the scale of fun to pain and inconvenience, I don’t think I’d have more (ever). I won’t even have Co-codamol these days & ibuprofen gives me nightmares so I’m lucky to be healthy and not in pain, I know people that became addicted to drugs their doctor prescribed, I have sympathy for anyone with addictions… off for a quick game of solitaire …3 hours later It’s never simple though. Wasn't there a trial run, years back in the UK where heroin addicts were given their requirements and then they went on with their day to day lives without having to find ways of paying for the drug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 11 minutes ago, Sign in said: Wasn't there a trial run, years back in the UK where heroin addicts were given their requirements and then they went on with their day to day lives without having to find ways of paying for the drug? Methadone is doled out at most Manx chemists to addicts on a daily basis. But you have to be so far down the line with heroin addiction that your life is already wrecked before you get it prescribed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 8 hours ago, HeliX said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park Interesting. Perhaps there should be a human equivalent of this, if that erm, doesn't sound a bit Nazi Germany-ish. Maybe we're all part of such an experiment right now and we don't know it (which is a bit Douglas Adams-ish of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: Methadone is doled out at most Manx chemists to addicts on a daily basis. But you have to be so far down the line with heroin addiction that your life is already wrecked before you get it prescribed. Maybe in an ideal world we all get smacked off our heads for breakfast every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 32 minutes ago, John Wright said: Methadone is doled out at most Manx chemists to addicts on a daily basis. But you have to be so far down the line with heroin addiction that your life is already wrecked before you get it prescribed That’s the official prescribing guidance, is it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Puritans should be fucking shot. Your body is riddled with opioid receptors. Humans have evolved to use the poppy plant. Prohibition doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 15 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: That’s the official prescribing guidance, is it? No, but it’s the practical effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 On 4/16/2024 at 11:30 AM, The Phantom said: There seem to have been warnings about this dodgy/strong batch kicking about for a few weeks. Lots of official and personal advisories for users to be carrying the anti-OD kits. No one’s told me about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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