pongo Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, Aristotle said: Being polite, you're talking complete bollocks. Which bit specifically, Sybil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, pongo said: Which bit specifically, Sybil? The bit where you denied that the influx of cheap workers from the Commonwealth was a Conservative policy which was intended to bring down wages........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Aristotle said: The bit where you denied that the influx of cheap workers from the Commonwealth was a Conservative policy which was intended to bring down wages........... That'll be the 1948 British Nationality Act you're referring to, which was brought in by a Labour Government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 All a matter of opinion, Pongo. Aristotle makes reasonable points so I don't understand why he doesn't merit politeness. Britain is a better place than it once was in some ways, as is the wider world. In other ways it is far, far worse than it once was, as is the wider world. It is disingenuous to say that nobody "brought in loads of immigrants etc." People had British passports, but that was a decision of the British government of the day rather than a consequence of empire. Those passports could easily have been withdrawn as a condition of independence. They weren't. There was a shortage of labour in the 50s and 60s so it was no bad thing to bring in a pool of cheap labour. Governments of both colours presided over this. I am all for being optimistic, but you have a tendency always to look at the changes through rose tinted spectacles from a privileged position whilst being totally insulated from the adverse consequences. That is understandable but your stance is vulnerable to criticism in much the same way as was Prince Philip's when he suggested that the world doesn't owe us a living and it's time "we pulled our fingers out". As was the case with HRH, there are those who would say you don't know what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, woolley said: Those passports could easily have been withdrawn as a condition of independence. British law and international treaties, quite properly, limit the power of governments to withdraw citizenship. When Ireland gained full independence, for example, Irish people born British did not lose the right to choose to be British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 As you say, British law. What Parliament grants, Parliament can take away. In any case, international law is flexible when the spirit moves as was amply borne out by Tony Blair and his illegal military adventures. It would have been entirely reasonable to withdraw passports from the nationals of countries who were vehemently opposed to British rule. After all, why would they want to live under the British yoke having successfully struggled to escape it? Ireland is a unique case having been a part of the United Kingdom proper and having a common travel area and widespread intermingling of populations and linked community from time immemorial. As such it had, and continues to have, a different status to other overseas territories, colonies and dominions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 12 hours ago, woolley said: I am all for being optimistic... No, you invariably are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxb&b Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Come on people, Dick doesn't want to hear your opinions, he wants to hear his opinions coming out of your mouths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, manxb&b said: Come on people, Dick doesn't want to hear your opinions, he wants to hear his opinions coming out of your mouths. SO what is your opinion on Charlottesville, Neo-Nazis, the KKK, etc? Seeing as you are so desperate to talk about opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Don't bother. He'll already have made your opinion up for you. You'll be supporting the KKK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxb&b Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 minute ago, RIchard Britten said: SO what is your opinion on Charlottesville, Neo-Nazis, the KKK, etc? Seeing as you are so desperate to talk about opinions? I'm anti-extremism full stop. But it doesn't matter, you'll pick holes and lambast any opinion that doesn't exactly coincide with yours or isn't portrayed to your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 20 minutes ago, woolley said: Don't bother. He'll already have made your opinion up for you. You'll be supporting the KKK! Not denouncing them is the same as tacit approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, manxb&b said: I'm anti-extremism full stop. Okay. Quote But it doesn't matter, you'll pick holes and lambast any opinion that doesn't exactly coincide with yours or isn't portrayed to your liking. That is how discussions work right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxb&b Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: Okay. That is how discussions work right? Your 'discussions' tend to be...err... extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, manxb&b said: Your 'discussions' tend to be...err... extreme. Good to see you are tackling the topic and not focusing on me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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