Ringy Rose Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 13 hours ago, Beyond Belief said: Does anyone think this tribunal will go ahead, personally I doubt it, money talks, however it also pays for silence. Of course it won’t, but a couple of zeros will have been added to the cost of settling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, newaccount said: David Conn tweets: Anthony Page, PPE Medpro director and 100% registered shareholder when the Government paid £203m for the VIP lane contracts, left and is taking Doug Barrowman’s firm Knox to an employment tribunal in the Isle of Man; Just been listed for hearing, 29 April to 1 May. Honestly not sure if he left of his own accord due to the PPE debacle, or whether Doug forced him out. Whichever, Page scored a big property purchase shortly after the Pandemic and he's unlikely to work in the industry again. It'll be one to get the popcorn out for sure. Edited December 21, 2023 by The Phantom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Probably all be sorted by private arrangements and deals, money changing hands and a confidentiality clause. To prosecute would be poking a hornets nest for the government . Lawyers will probably do well regardless of any action taken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 17 hours ago, Beyond Belief said: Does anyone think this tribunal will go ahead, personally I doubt it, money talks, however it also pays for silence. That's what you'd think, but Barrowman has form for fighting these things to the bitter end at employment tribunals. The Sutton case went on for years and there was the more recent case with the housekeeper. One thing we have had reinforced recently is that paying things off quietly is not these people's way of operating. If they think they can hold on to the money they will. And of course trying to win by exhausting the applicants financial, time and emotional resources is a common tactic among some employers, just ask Rosalind Ranson. The only thing that surprised me is that just three days were set aside for the tribunal. But it turns out that's just the 'preliminary' hearing. I'd increase the popcorn order. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 20 hours ago, newaccount said: David Conn tweets: Anthony Page, PPE Medpro director and 100% registered shareholder when the Government paid £203m for the VIP lane contracts, left and is taking Doug Barrowman’s firm Knox to an employment tribunal in the Isle of Man; Just been listed for hearing, 29 April to 1 May. I thought there was another local director involved. Is that just the usual CSP business of making up the number of directors for companies? They won't face charges though, or should they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, slinkydevil said: I thought there was another local director involved. Is that just the usual CSP business of making up the number of directors for companies? They won't face charges though, or should they? https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/island-based-directors-linked-to-122-million-uk-ppe-contract/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/island-based-directors-linked-to-122-million-uk-ppe-contract/ Oh okay but they should be okay right? They haven't done anything wrong? I'm not really sure how it all works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, slinkydevil said: Oh okay but they should be okay right? They haven't done anything wrong? I'm not really sure how it all works. Yeah as noted, Voirrey, but she seems to have somehow stayed relatively out of the limelight on this. Tricky one on responsibility. Realistically they have to do what the shareholders tell them, otherwise they could be fired. However, as a 'CSP Director' they do always have the option to say they don't want to be appointed as a Director or just quit if something looks sketchy. However I suspect doing this would earn them a quick escort to the door at Knox. As I mentioned, it definitely paid for a nice big new house for Paige. It will all really come down to whether they knew (or suspected) that Mone had abused her position or the PPE wasn't up to scratch, which on balance, I'd probably say they didn't. That's not to say they won't be sacrificed on the altar of the FSA though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Tricky one on responsibility. Realistically they have to do what the shareholders tell them, otherwise they could be fired. However, as a 'CSP Director' they do always have the option to say they don't want to be appointed as a Director or just quit if something looks sketchy. That’s an option but in most similar situations I’ve seen in single shareholder CSPs run by people similar to Doug in reality a lot of pressure is put on people as part of their job to undertake those roles and the only option is that is you won’t do it then you’re leaving. I’ve left a role on one occasion for exactly that reason. I said no way would I touch that with a barge pole and because of that it was going to come to an end anyway so may as well take control and get another job. There are far too many shadow controllers in the IOM finance sector who get away with it for years without assuming any real risk themselves and just use employed directors as human shields. Edited December 21, 2023 by Cueey Lewis And The News 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Interestingly Voirrey Coole resigned the last of the UK directorships she held yesterday. Which suggests she was still employed by the Knox Group. At least till yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said: There are far too many shadow controllers in the IOM finance sector who get away with it for years without assuming any real risk themselves and just use employed directors as human shields. Luckily for them Doug doesn't really stay in the shadows too much. Those turkey teeth would be a give-away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Interestingly Voirrey Coole resigned the last of the UK directorships she held yesterday. Which suggests she was still employed by the Knox Group. At least till yesterday. Oh well it seems she left the 'Company' (PPE Medro) back in 2022, but she is Managing Director of Knox according to linkedin, so still part of the group. https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/director-of-ppe-firm-awarded-203m-of-nhs-contracts-steps-down-after-watchdog-announces-probe-into-michelle-mones-alleged-involvement/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Luckily for them Doug doesn't really stay in the shadows too much. Those turkey teeth would be a give-away. The Medpro structure as laid out though is pure shadow control using employed directors and even giving one a 1% profit share in the structure for taking the risk. Then it all filters out to other arms length trusts and structures not owned by Barrowman but certainly controlled by him through other employees or service providers. Edited December 21, 2023 by Cueey Lewis And The News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Still...there are quite a few employees of theirs here maybe under other companies? Something like 150 people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 ...that's a lot of livelihoods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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