The Phantom Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said: The Medpro structure as laid out though is pure shadow control using employed directors and even giving one a 1% profit share in the structure for taking the risk. Then it all filters out to other arms length trusts and structures not owned by Barrowman but certainly controlled by him through other employees or service providers. Yeah but he's admitted to making a profit out of it, so I would have thought any kind of 'arms length' arguments would be moot. Usually with cases like that, it would have to be proven that he's benefitted. He's admitted that in an interview he paid for! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: Still...there are quite a few employees of theirs here maybe under other companies? Something like 150 people? I've heard that there has been a big segregation at the company between the real third party clients and Doug's Personal stuff. They've even moved into different offices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just for clarification a director is jointly and severally liable for any criminal offence by the company. Ignorance is no excuse, for instance saying that he was finance director so I did not know what was going on will not wash. Equally there is no such thing as a nominee director or non executive director. In Manx law/a/director is a director. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, NoTail said: Just for clarification a director is jointly and severally liable for any criminal offence by the company. Ignorance is no excuse, for instance saying that he was finance director so I did not know what was going on will not wash. Equally there is no such thing as a nominee director or non executive director. In Manx law/a/director is a director. Yeah but the company I don't believe has actually committed a criminal offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: Still...there are quite a few employees of theirs here maybe under other companies? Something like 150 people? Well their Linkedin claims 350+, though adding the numbers for the individual companies in the Knox Group may suggest rather less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 6 hours ago, The Phantom said: Honestly not sure if he left of his own accord due to the PPE debacle, or whether Doug forced him out. Where did he go? Jamaicim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 https://www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2023/08/13/ppe_medpro/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, NoTail said: Just for clarification a director is jointly and severally liable for any criminal offence by the company. The company hasn’t committed any crime. It’s a supply company that supplied the product it was contracted to supply. There were claimed defects in that product which may be the subject of a commercial dispute with the DHSC but it hasn’t done anything illegal. It’s Mone herself who lied and didn’t declare her connection in order to secure a contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, La Colombe said: Where did he go? Jamaicim? I think he might have property there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said: The company hasn’t committed any crime. It’s a supply company that supplied the product it was contracted to supply. There were claimed defects in that product which may be the subject of a commercial dispute with the DHSC but it hasn’t done anything illegal. It’s Mone herself who lied and didn’t declare her connection in order to secure a contract. It looks on the surface as if either Mone or Barrowboy or both were really controlling the Company. If so they may be deemed shadow directors. JW will be able to elucidate on the implications. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hocus Pocus Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 If this all means there is a predicate crime in UK, then have Barrowman and Mone committed POCA crimes here for laundering the proceeds? Answers to be found by asking the Constabulary and IOMFSA who knew all along and did not freeze the money when it was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Hocus Pocus said: If this all means there is a predicate crime in UK, then have Barrowman and Mone committed POCA crimes here for laundering the proceeds? Answers to be found by asking the Constabulary and IOMFSA who knew all along and did not freeze the money when it was here. Does it have to be here in order for it to be frozen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Passing Time said: Does it have to be here in order for it to be frozen? no, but it has to be somewhere it could be frozen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 14 hours ago, Hocus Pocus said: If this all means there is a predicate crime in UK, then have Barrowman and Mone committed POCA crimes here for laundering the proceeds? Answers to be found by asking the Constabulary and IOMFSA who knew all along and did not freeze the money when it was here. It's a commercial dispute regarding the PPE. Mone is probably in some sort of breach of House of Lords interests stuff. Morally wrong, probably. Criminal, I'm afraid not. POCA and any freezing of assets is therefore irrelevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueey Lewis And The News Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 17 hours ago, NoTail said: It looks on the surface as if either Mone or Barrowboy or both were really controlling the Company. If so they may be deemed shadow directors. JW will be able to elucidate on the implications. They don’t seem to want to deal with shadows here unfortunately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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