maynragh Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, woody2 said: a few few areas of spain want independence, go down the legal route or get treated like a criminal, seems fair to me..... the fact puigdemont party has zero support is the major factor, it would be like the libdums running the uk....... If there was zero support they wouldn’t have risked crushing the referendum. Is that so hard to grasp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, maynragh said: If there was zero support they wouldn’t have risked crushing the referendum. Is that so hard to grasp? he was losing support so rolled the dice...... they only have 29 of 135 seats..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynragh Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Right. So you just proved my point. Thanks. It’s not about the Catalans, it’s about Madrid. If there really was no support there is no logical explanation for trying to crush the referendum so aggressively. Even from a basic financial assessment, it will have cost far more to send in the riot police than to simply ignore it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, maynragh said: Right. So you just proved my point. Thanks. It’s not about the Catalans, it’s about Madrid. If there really was no support there is no logical explanation for trying to crush the referendum so aggressively. Even from a basic financial assessment, it will have cost far more to send in the riot police than to simply ignore it completely. you don't have a point... its called upholding the law, its not about money..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynragh Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 The extent of upholding the law is entirely about money - the same decision as is made in every jurisdiction that has laws to enforce every day. Decisions are made as to how much money is spent on enforcing the laws as exist - which usually comes down to a simple cost benefit analysis on behalf of those who control the funding - i.e. the political risk of not upholding the law. If laws were enforced universally irrespective of cost practically everyone would be a criminal one way or another, or we would be living in some sort of crime free utopia by now. Laws are enforced based on cost assessment. Which is why the statement that “there is no support for independence” is clearly complete bull. If there really were no support the Spanish government wouldn’t have bothered wasting the money and taking the political risk to crush the referendum. They did it because it’s clearly in their political interest to do so, and clearly their is a perceived threat otherwise they wouldn’t have bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 what waffle they went to court and lost, the courts judgement was upheld by the national police,nothing more, as the region is running at a loss, if it was about money they would just cut them off..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 8 hours ago, woody2 said: he was losing support so rolled the dice...... they only have 29 of 135 seats..... That’s the largest number of seats of any party in the Catalan Parliament where the ruling pro-independence coalition has 72 out of 135 seats and 11 members of the opposition also back independence. Puigdemont is the head of a fractious coalition, united against the centralising right-wingers in power in Madrid. A huge proportion of Catalonians are the descendants of economic migrants who settled there from poorer regions of Spain in the post-war era. Historically, culturally and linguistically Valencia, the Balearics and parts of Aragon are also Catalan, so the separatists are definitely not ethnic nationalists. The large immigrant population in Barcelona and other urban areas, especially those from South and Central America, tend to be unionist in outlook, but the most vociferous Spanish unionists, both in Catalonia and Castille tend to also be anti-immigrant. It is crucial for Madrid to shore up support from immigrants, but the Franco era policing and the songs and salutes of the unionists counter-protests isn’t going to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynragh Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, woody2 said: what waffle they went to court and lost, the courts judgement was upheld by the national police,nothing more, as the region is running at a loss, if it was about money they would just cut them off..... If there really was no support for independence they wouldn't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 10 hours ago, maynragh said: If there really was no support for independence they wouldn't have to. have to what..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 11 hours ago, Freggyragh said: That’s the largest number of seats of any party in the Catalan Parliament where the ruling pro-independence coalition has 72 out of 135 seats and 11 members of the opposition also back independence. Puigdemont is the head of a fractious coalition, united against the centralising right-wingers in power in Madrid. a coalition that is collapsing, hence the fake referendum..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynragh Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, woody2 said: have to what..... Either crush a non existent indpendence movement, or dump it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynragh Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 you should go on pointless because that's what your posts equal...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, woody2 said: you should go on pointless because that's what your posts equal...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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