Lxxx Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 12 hours ago, the stinking enigma said: the state sponsored bbc angle.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41493014 the state sponsored rt angle.https://www.rt.com/news/405586-thousands-protest-barcelona-catalonia/ oddly, neither seems to even mention the others angle. Funny that hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, woolley said: @ Guzzi: Very good points, but Madrid has handled this abjectly. If it really is just a few extremist separatists, why did they not let them have their referendum and call their bluff? Now the situation is far, far worse having sent in the Guardia and police from other parts of Spain. It was so easily predictable that it would become the best possible recruiting sergeant for the independence movement. They must be delighted at the mass marches in the streets. There seems to be a dearth of common sense in the world which has become particularly acute at the moment. Nationalism is a sentiment that gathers momentum and is gathering momentum as economies turn down. Next up will be Italy with their anti-EU rhetoric, you've got the idiots over in the basket case of California spouting that they could secede and eastern Europe seems to have had enough of Brussels. Spanish and Italian bonds got hammered recently on the back of the uncertainty. It's the collapse of socialism as the chickens are coming home to roost. Unfunded pensions are an issue across the western world, especially in Europe as the 0% interest rate experiment have destroyed the past decade, and governments are having to get more draconian to raise taxes to pay for it. Brussels can't afford to lose the UK's funds, Madrid can't afford to lose Catalonia's income and on it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 the vote hasn't been counted yet according to the beeb, how do they know the results.... poor turnout even if the figures are real which they clearly aren't...... the strike was called before the vote yet now they claim its because the police used reasonable force..... lefty propaganda would sum it up..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 hours ago, guzzi said: The voters in the referendum, the demonstrators on the streets, do not necessarily represent a collective Catalan view. There are also several inconvenient truths that the nationalists may think can simply be voted away, not least the public debt of the Catalan government, €52 billion of which is owed to Madrid, and the fact that the perception that Catalunya is robbed by Madrid is short on truth. They do not receive as much in spending as they collectively pay in tax, but Catalunya is a wealthy region, and Spain understandably and justifiably spends more in some of the much poorer regions. Then the Madrid government should put that argument to the people of Catalunya. Call another referendum. There's a strong possibility they'll win. Not doing that strengthens the nationalist cause but is also a hammer blow to democratic values. Suggesting a state can't cede from a larger one without the consent of the larger nation destroys fundamental principle of self determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, woody2 said: ...the police used reasonable force..... lefty propaganda would sum it up..... You mean all that footage of police in full riot gear striking unarmed and peaceful protestors was fake? Its not like you to talk about fake news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 41 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: You mean all that footage of police in full riot gear striking unarmed and peaceful protestors was fake? Its not like you to talk about fake news... i'm guessing you was in the pansy regiment...... carrying out their legal duty, told them to move they didn't, it stopped been a peaceful protest at that point..... all legal and above board..... and since when has anxiety been an injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, woody2 said: i'm guessing you was in the pansy regiment...... You guess wrong. Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: You guess wrong. Thanks for playing. saturday and sunday regiment? (i note you ignore the #facts in my post....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just now, woody2 said: saturday and sunday regiment? (i note you ignore the #facts in my post....) Wrong service and I haven't ignored your #facts, because they invariably aren't facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 sick bag cleaner upper regiment? aka the pansies....... they are the #facts which is why you have no answer..... good to see the arrests and court hearings have started...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, woody2 said: sick bag cleaner upper regiment? aka the pansies....... they are the #facts which is why you have no answer..... good to see the arrests and court hearings have started...... Whatevs Trevs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Cooper FBI Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Scum. These fascists are really brave when they're together in groups and have weapons. I bet they're cowardly little chickens when they're on their own. Probably explains why they wear helmets. Cowardly weasels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: should of moved when told.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Note the officer on the right trying to rip her mobile phone from her hand. Reckon she probably filmed them doing something they don't want getting out into the public eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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