Chinahand Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just like the Balkans, hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just like western Europe. We can hardly claim the high ground and refer to our tribal feuds as "civil wars" or "wars", while referring to everybody else's as tribal feuds. It's a bit like English people calling themselves "expats", but everyone else is an "immigrant". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 13 minutes ago, Aristotle said: ...Zbigniew Brzezinski... But his vociferious and very public opposition to GW1 might contradict the claim that he concocted a plan for pitting the tribes against each other to destabalise the area. He knew the long-term consequences of creating seething arab resentment. Though he might've severely underestimated the nightmare that this 'resentment' was to become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 There's an extensive and detailed account of the ebb and flow of tribal rivalries and conflict in the Middle East giving some insight into the origins and thinking of the protagonists. It's called the Old Testament. It doesn't matter a jot that it predates the coming of Christianity, Islam and oil, the mindset is the same. This is a region where internecine tribal conflict is endemic. Just read the OT and then imagine the protagonists armed with AK47s, RPGs and IEDs. Voila. 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I take it you’ve never read a European history book if you think “internecine tribal conflict” is endemic only to the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 8 hours ago, Aristotle said: I take it you’ve never read a European history book if you think “internecine tribal conflict” is endemic only to the Middle East. I have read many European history books - and nor did I make any claim, or inference, that what I described was confined only to the Middle East. I have however concluded that you are an argumentative twat, or perhaps simply just a stupid cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Was there not some sort of assurances given to Turkey regarding the Kurds a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Uhtred said: I have read many European history books - and nor did I make any claim, or inference, that what I described was confined only to the Middle East. I have however concluded that you are an argumentative twat, or perhaps simply just a stupid cunt. Your entire post was saying it was a uniquely Middle Eastern phenomenon, with some idiotic reference to the Old Testament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Aristotle said: Your entire post was saying it was a uniquely Middle Eastern phenomenon, with some idiotic reference to the Old Testament. It said nothing of the kind. You've confirmed my second prognosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Uhtred simply said the OT provides a good description of the tribal attitudes of the Middle East today. He did not say anything about the behaviour or history being unique. As ever he-of-multiple-accounts has massively over-reached and is now into dismissing other points of view as idiotic... Some things never change, on both MF as well as in the ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Uhtred simply said the OT provides a good description of the tribal attitudes of the Middle East today. No, it doesn’t. I take exception to you insulting Judaism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotle Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 30 minutes ago, Uhtred said: It said nothing of the kind. You've confirmed my second prognosis. Your post clearly makes a case for the Middle East being unique and backward relative to Europe, even though Europe only recently started two world wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aristotle Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 So you’re blaming Jews and their ownership of an area of land (which is undisputed according to the Islamic religion) for all the contemporary problems in the Middle East . I suggest the Quran would be a better book to read for understanding why the Middle East is the source of so much hate in the world. To suggest the Old Testament is an explanation is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, Aristotle said: Your post clearly makes a case for the Middle East being unique and backward relative to Europe, even though Europe only recently started two world wars. No it doesn't it says the bible describes well the current situation. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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