display name Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: I really would love to see them go bust. There'd be job carnage in the short term but within the year a massive positive boost as the void was soon filled by numerous freehouses or a new decent chain. Nah,you'd end up with more Whitbread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 8 hours ago, WTF said: If they say it isn't viable as a pub why put that restriction on a sale? surely they should take the money and run whilst watching it fail and laughing about it For the exact reasons you stated, they know full well that place would be profitable in the right hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Have they all been a success??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Which pubs does Downey have? Railway Union Mills, Tynwald and Glen Mona? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 Ginger Hall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Planning in to convert The Ship to private house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 47 minutes ago, John Wright said: Planning in to convert The Ship to private house. Hopefully that will get knocked back as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Neil Down said: Hopefully that will get knocked back as well It’s been closed since 2013. It’s been sold by the brewery and has a no licensed premises covenant. So it can’t be difficult to show it cannot be economically used as licensed premises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I find it strange that the Manx Forums cognoscenti, normally so opposed to Govt interference, are here, fully behind a Govt agency, (planning dept, ), countering the desires of a free market enterprise! While it must be within the remit of planning to take this stance, tho that could be questioned, we MF'ers would in most other circumstances be outraged at this interference. Planning has a role to play in the development of new and used properties, it should fit in the surrounding building scape, be of sound construction and, now, well insulated, that is to the good. They should also stop inappropriate development, a 15 story block of flats on the LA site........ .............but should they dictate to use of a property because they, who are not pub operators, think it is still viable? How would they know? Is it any of their business what the owner of the site wishes, ( above taken into consideration ), other than to control the new building or re-construction? H&B are obviously set on its sale as a private accommodation, they cannot be forced to re-open it as a Pub, what is the point of the opposition from Planning? As a development site it may be worth 500,000, as anon-viable Pub? What? 200-300,000? Take 200,000 from your bank account, tear it up and throw it in the bin, go on, do it!!! When the building falls into such dis-repair that it cannot be saved. Who will have won? H&B, Planning or the thousands of customers who were going to go there one day? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxdaleliberationfront Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 The Brewery can't get decent landlords these days (or pub managers as they call them) because they apparently offer a very shite salary for such long hours and responsibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Kopek said: When the building falls into such dis-repair that it cannot be saved. Who will have won? H&B, Planning or the thousands of customers who were going to go there one day? No one. Which is why if the building is designated for that use...covenants such be disallowed after a certain period of time has passed. Stops greedy near monopolies, such as H&B and the Sefton destroying buildings just because someone else could do a better job. Law needs to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Kopek said: H&B are obviously set on its sale as a private accommodation, they cannot be forced to re-open it as a Pub, what is the point of the opposition from Planning? It becomes a tale wagging the dog situation. By all means the Brewery should be able to sell their property but the covenant preventing a building being a pub is taking matters beyond their station. It is not for the brewery to go round dictating what should and what should not be licensed premises. That is effectively what is happening. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 10 hours ago, John Wright said: It’s been closed since 2013. It’s been sold by the brewery and has a no licensed premises covenant. So it can’t be difficult to show it cannot be economically used as licensed premises. proving the ship can be turned into something habitable will be the difficulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 8 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said: The Brewery can't get decent landlords these days (or pub managers as they call them) because they apparently offer a very shite salary for such long hours and responsibility The salary was never that fantastic. Landlords made their money on the food they sold. Greedy brewery took that away from them as well. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Kopek said: I find it strange that the Manx Forums cognoscenti, normally so opposed to Govt interference, are here, fully behind a Govt agency, (planning dept, ), countering the desires of a free market enterprise! What the brewery are doing has nothing to do with free market enterprise. It has everything to do with anti-competitive practice by a virtual monopoly that is increasingly failing, losing interest and losing its skill sets even in that business in which it has that virtual monopoly. Had we a proper monopoly policing body on IoM, this wouldn't be happening. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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