mojomonkey Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, llap said: It's an encouraging sign. The rise of the AFD is not an encouraging sign. I am 100% certain you will not have read their manifesto or have any real knowledge of their actual policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, dilligaf said: No it is not. all nations have their extremists and nutters, and Germany is no different. But most Germans with a brain are ashamed. Of what? Most weren't even alive. It's precisely this sort of idiotic projection of collective guilt towards an entire nation or people which led to the Holocaust in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, llap said: Of what? Most weren't even alive. It's precisely this sort of idiotic projection of collective guilt towards an entire nation or people which led to the Holocaust in the first place. My posts are based on what our best friends tell us. They are German. What are your views based on apart from hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, dilligaf said: My posts are based on what our best friends tell us. They are German. What are your views based on apart from hate. "I'm friends with Germans, therefore I know more about Germany than you...." That's weak. My views are based on having a brain. 6 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: The rise of the AFD is not an encouraging sign. I am 100% certain you will not have read their manifesto or have any real knowledge of their actual policies. I think it's very encouraging to see the resurgence of conservatism (aka common sense) in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, llap said: 6 minutes ago, dilligaf said: My posts are based on what our best friends tell us. They are German. What are your views based on apart from hate. "I'm friends with Germans, therefore I know more about Germany than you...." That's weak. My views are based on having a brain. 10 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: The rise of the AFD is not an encouraging sign. I am 100% certain you will not have read their manifesto or have any real knowledge of their actual policies. I think it's very encouraging to see the resurgence of conservatism (aka common sense) in Germany. So, have you been there often and spoke to many German people ? No, thought not. Your brain is split into so many different characters and personalities, it's a great wonder it can function at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, dilligaf said: What are your views based on apart from hate. I don’t believe that his views are based on hatred. It’s simply that he is fundamentally contrarian. He will always take the opposite perspective and find or twist bogus intellectual arguments to support whatever he has decided to believe. All of his various logins exhibit the same arrogant behaviour. Presumably symptomatic. But he does not actually believe in anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, llap said: I think it's very encouraging to see the resurgence of conservatism (aka common sense) in Germany. That is an incredibly naive view of the AFD. As this a thread about Anne Frank, I take it you are aware of the AFD's anti-Semitic tendancies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 28 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Not true. Todays Germans are very ashamed of what went on in the past. This is a mark of respect for Anne Frank and should not be mocked. I'd agree with that, having lived there some years. A kind of misguided not well thought through penitance though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: That is an incredibly naive view of the AFD. As this a thread about Anne Frank, I take it you are aware of the AFD's anti-Semitic tendancies? Llap wears so many different fucking hats, that it is little wonder he has a sore neck. Don't get a life. Choose ONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 32 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Llap wears so many different fucking hats, that it is little wonder he has a sore neck. Don't get a life. Choose ONE. He's proved time after time he comes on here just to argue, with little to no facts to back himself up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llap Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, pongo said: I don’t believe that his views are based on hatred. It’s simply that he is fundamentally contrarian. He will always take the opposite perspective and find or twist bogus intellectual arguments to support whatever he has decided to believe. All of his various logins exhibit the same arrogant behaviour. Presumably symptomatic. But he does not actually believe in anything. Nonsense. I am very consistent and lucid in my views and I challenge you to provide any evidence to the contrary. Sometimes people are unable to see how I reconcile certain views which they feel are contradictory but this is down to their own lack of understanding rather than contradiction or lack of consistency on my part. Suggesting I don’t believe in anything is utterly ridiculous. To answer mojo or dili, my view is informed by having studied German history right up to Merkel. I’ve been researching the Holocaust and the Third Reich since before I was five. I think my support for the Jewish people and concern for their welfare has been pretty consistent since I joined this forum and you’re seeing it here in my view on this thread. I’m concerned for the well-being of German Jewry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, llap said: To answer mojo or dili, my view is informed by having studied German history right up to Merkel. I’ve been researching the Holocaust and the Third Reich since before I was five. I think my support for the Jewish people and concern for their welfare has been pretty consistent since I joined this forum and you’re seeing it here in my view on this thread. I’m concerned for the well-being of German Jewry. That makes supporting the rise of the AFD even more bizarre. They have proven anti-Semites in their elite ranks. Notwithstanding that, I fully support people being aware of the atrocities I'd the Third Reich and the Holocaust but in my book that isn't something a five year old should know anything about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: That makes supporting the rise of the AFD even more bizarre. They have proven anti-Semites in their elite ranks. Notwithstanding that, I fully support people being aware of the atrocities I'd the Third Reich and the Holocaust but in my book that isn't something a five year old should know anything about. I think Llap likes to ignore how the German people feel about the people he says he has researched since he was 5 years old. What history tells you is important, but how comtemporary Germans feel about that is far more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 34 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Notwithstanding that, I fully support people being aware of the atrocities I'd the Third Reich and the Holocaust but in my book that isn't something a five year old should know anything about. As a five-year-old my Ma took me to the old Waxworks on Nelson Street (?) on a number of occasions to see the Chamber of Horrors which mainly featured scenes and exhibits from the camps. She said we should never forget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 10 hours ago, llap said: I’m concerned for the well-being of German Jewry. Many Jews have left or are leaving, throughout Europe, so stretch your concern for them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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