Plans for lord street

[2112]

10 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

My gut reaction is that retail units will struggle as they are not where the main footfall is, ie Strand St.. Although the car park might, by default, help.

You may be right. I personally think that part of the parking will be taken up by the apartment owners/leaseholders/renters, and then the local piss takers will try their luck - like those parking at the hospital all day and travel into Douglas on the bus. It will soon get filled up very quickly, which deters footfall, if there is a store, and your purchase requires a vehicle to transport it home. In all fairness, at Spring Valley/Cooil Road/Business Park there is parking. 

[John Wright]

6 minutes ago, 2112 said:

You may be right. I personally think that part of the parking will be taken up by the apartment owners/leaseholders/renters, and then the local piss takers will try their luck - like those parking at the hospital all day and travel into Douglas on the bus. It will soon get filled up very quickly, which deters footfall, if there is a store, and your purchase requires a vehicle to transport it home. In all fairness, at Spring Valley/Cooil Road/Business Park there is parking. 

There’ll be hotel and residents spaces and the rest will be pay & display at short term rates. It’s hardly any further from, say, M&S than the bottleneck.

Retail units will be food and bars. We are going to end up with two entertainment and leisure areas, connected by Duke/Strand/Castle Streets

[Neil Down]

3 minutes ago, John Wright said:

There’ll be hotel and residents spaces and the rest will be pay & display at short term rates. It’s hardly any further from, say, M&S than the bottleneck.

Retail units will be food and bars. We are going to end up with two entertainment and leisure areas, connected by Duke/Strand/Castle Streets

who knows, an entrepreneur may knock down the Palace Cinema fleapit and build a much needed 4/5 star hotel and complex once this is all over. UK holidaying may just get going

[John Wright]

10 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

who knows, an entrepreneur may knock down the Palace Cinema fleapit and build a much needed 4/5 star hotel and complex once this is all over. UK holidaying may just get going

The new multiplex will spell the end for Palace Cinema. Shame in someways, it’s got a theatrical history going back to the 1880’s. It’s the last bit of the New Opera House 1880 to 1912. First bit of the Palace complex to be built.

But you’re right. Palace site is the largest development building site in Douglas. Hotel, leisure, apartments. Road access on three sides and multilevel. Wasn’t that why GFL encouraged them to buy Walpole Avenue - so they could Build there, close the Palace, redevelop. Then 2008 came along.

The sensible developers would be Castlemona owners. All one site.

[Albert Tatlock]

2 minutes ago, John Wright said:

The new multiplex will spell the end for Palace Cinema. Shame in someways, it’s got a theatrical history going back to the 1880’s. It’s the last bit of the New Opera House 1880 to 1912. First bit of the Palace complex to be built.

No doubt it will be added to the costly list of registered buildings that no one wants anymore and can't afford to use, can't fit out in any sensible way, nor upkeep.

They should put back the original buildings there - because after covid and the lack of realistic financial support from IOM government, it will be all most people here could afford anyway.

[Andy Onchan]

35 minutes ago, John Wright said:

There’ll be hotel and residents spaces and the rest will be pay & display at short term rates. It’s hardly any further from, say, M&S than the bottleneck.

Retail units will be food and bars. We are going to end up with two entertainment and leisure areas, connected by Duke/Strand/Castle Streets

My betting is Travelodge will have limited time for parking after which it will have to be paid for, the residents will pay as part of their management facility fee, anyone else visiting the for the Cinema and food/bar outlets likewise. Anyone else wanting to park to go to Stand Street/Castle Street will park up that end. This Lord Street development will only attract those who will attend the hotel, cinema and food outlets and so the footfall will be limited. 

[John Wright]

12 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

My betting is Travelodge will have limited time for parking after which it will have to be paid for, the residents will pay as part of their management facility fee, anyone else visiting the for the Cinema and food/bar outlets likewise. Anyone else wanting to park to go to Stand Street/Castle Street will park up that end. This Lord Street development will only attract those who will attend the hotel, cinema and food outlets and so the footfall will be limited. 

Normal deal would be a hotel guest parking ticket validation scheme giving a 25% reduction

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said:

My gut reaction is that retail units will struggle as they are not where the main footfall is, ie Strand St.. Although the car park might, by default, help.

Barbary Coast seems to do very very well.

Any commercial business placed there isn't relying on mass passing footfall.

[Albert Tatlock]

1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said:

My gut reaction is that retail units will struggle as they are not where the main footfall is, ie Strand St.. Although the car park might, by default, help.

My mate was involved in the planning of the regeneration of Glasgow. They work on a simple principle, put two new key structures that attract footfall at either end (big popular stores or entertainment centres - ideally with a car park) and they encourage other developments and footfall in the middle. This new development is one of those new key structures IMO. But they will need to rethink and improve that footfall crossing the main road by the library. What/where will be the other key structure remains to be seen - hardly sports direct.

[Donald Trumps]

1 hour ago, Neil Down said:

who knows, an entrepreneur may knock down the Palace Cinema fleapit and build a much needed 4/5 star hotel and complex once this is all over. UK holidaying may just get going

The island already has far too many hotel rooms - why add more?

[Neil Down]

1 minute ago, Donald Trumps said:

The island already has far too many hotel rooms - why add more?

Really? Just how many of those are 4-5 star? One of the moans we regularly hear in our office is from business men and women about the appalling states of the hotels.

[Donald Trumps]

There's no demand for five star hotels on this island

There are three, perhaps four,  properties who might consider themselves to be operating in the four star bracket

[Neil Down]

2 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

There's no demand for five star hotels on this island

There are three, perhaps four,  properties who might consider themselves to be operating in the four star bracket

Think you'll find you may be mistaken there

[Donald Trumps]

Really?

[TheTeapot]

15 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

 But they will need to rethink and improve that footfall crossing the main road by the library. 

Isn't that what they've been doing with this scheme 

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