woolley Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, John Wright said: There should be much more emphasis on education, not brainwashing, One man's education is another man's brainwashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkle Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, John Wright said: Another conspiracy theorist who believes any reactionary fake news that feeds his beliefs this from the witchfinder general,hohohoho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, woolley said: One man's education is another man's brainwashing. What an upside down world you populists are creating. You'll all be wearing your pants on your head before long. It's only experts say you shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, pongo said: What an upside down world you populists are creating. You'll all be wearing your pants on your head before long. It's only experts say you shouldn't. Indeed not. We've been living in the "upside down" world for the past fifty years or more. Problem is that you have been standing on your head for so long it appears the right way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, woolley said: Indeed not. We've been living in the "upside down" world for the past fifty years or more. Problem is that you have been standing on your head for so long it appears the right way up. You seem to reject almost all professional and expert opinion. Apart from being utterly reactionary, that also seems incredibly arrogant. It's as if you simultaneously believe in simple answers and that nuance and context is some sort of con. Not only you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Maybe we've lived for long enough to see where professional and expert opinion has got us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, woolley said: Maybe we've lived for long enough to see where professional and expert opinion has got us. Or maybe you have become cantankerous and difficult. People today are generally better off than at any previous time in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, pongo said: Or maybe you have become cantankerous and difficult. People today are generally better off than at any previous time in history. No. I've always been cantankerous and difficult. I think there are a lot of people who would disagree with your generally better off assertion, but we've done it all before, ad nauseam, haven't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, woolley said: No. I've always been cantankerous and difficult. I think there are a lot of people who would disagree with your generally better off assertion, but we've done it all before, ad nauseam, haven't we? Expert opinion has clearly massively improved life expectancy, nutrition etc. And brought us to a situation in which poverty can now be measured not in absolute but in relative terms. And our understanding of both the hard and the soft sciences. Tremendous human progress. But you seem to reject all that as just opinion and would rather wear your pants on your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, pongo said: You seem to reject almost all professional and expert opinion. Apart from being utterly reactionary, that also seems incredibly arrogant. It's as if you simultaneously believe in simple answers and that nuance and context is some sort of con. "... apart from being utterly reactionary that also seems incredibly arrogant." Seeing as you're usually the one offering little objective consideration to the opinions of others, your pithy responses seem utterly reactionary and incredibly arrogant. No one is rejecting the impact 'expertise' has brought to the world. (Look at Oppenheimer). What you've said is correct yet famine and starvation hasn't been wiped out, and life expectancy, depending where you live, can still be a short one. "People today are generally better off that at any previous time in history..." Comforting words but are they? Maybe for us in the West and other developed countries with our technology, resources and idealism and being able to quantify the measure of others in the relative rather than the absolute (ffs, what does that even mean?) but there are millions of people whose quality of life has actually regressed. Millions. Even in some of the World's more 'advanced' nations. I think you ignore shit because the reality makes you queasy... Now where are my undies? Oh yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 You'll get another week out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Two, they'll be inside out for a week as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, pongo said: Expert opinion has clearly massively improved life expectancy, nutrition etc. And brought us to a situation in which poverty can now be measured not in absolute but in relative terms. And our understanding of both the hard and the soft sciences. Tremendous human progress. But you seem to reject all that as just opinion and would rather wear your pants on your head. There is a difference between praiseworthy scientific advancement and political, ideological, dogmatic claptrap dressed up as advancement. Obviously you see no distinction. See Quilp above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, woolley said: There is a difference between praiseworthy scientific advancement and political, ideological, dogmatic claptrap dressed up as advancement. Obviously you see no distinction. See Quilp above. And you're the person to make these distinctions. It seems to me that you just want to pick and choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, pongo said: You seem to reject almost all professional and expert opinion. Apart from being utterly reactionary, that also seems incredibly arrogant. It's as if you simultaneously believe in simple answers and that nuance and context is some sort of con. Not only you. quiet right too..... look at ahmed hassan...... Asked in the Home Office interview whether he had had any training from the Islamic State group Mr Hassan allegedly said: "They trained us on how to kill. It was all religious based". a worker for the charity Barnardos, who spoke Arabic, allegedly caught him listening to a "call-to-arms" song.The lyrics translated as: "We are coming with you to the slaughter in your home/country." He told his mentor college lecturer Kayte Cable that it was his "duty to hate Britain" no risk whatsoever according to the experts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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