The Berxit lies and betrayals

[John Wright]

2 minutes ago, Rog said:

One name - Blair.

Where was Blair’s involvement in 1950, 53, or 1966?

[Freggyragh]

The U.K. has to stay in the single market and follow all the rules and regulations of trade set by the EU (with zero input from the U.K.) or unilaterally rip up the Good Friday Agreement. Of course, that means that the U.K. cannot make trade agreements with other countries, or risk physical barriers and searches to stop hormone-fed beef or cheap Chinese steel crossing borders. It will have to pay for the bureaucracy of the EU necessary to regulate trade, but will have no influence, no one employed by the EU and will not host any EU bodies, but also have to pay all by itself for all diplomatic trade missions and treaty negotiators. The immigration system will remain as it was - up to Britain to sort out, which means it will be whatever business interests want.

It isn’t taking back control. Its losing control. I can’t see business opportunities for anyone, just cheaper industrial food shipped in from half a world away. There are political opportunities for nationalist and ideological movements in Brexit, but nothing for pragmatism or prosperity. 

[Rog]

16 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Where was Blair’s involvement in 1950, 53, or 1966?

The lying traitorous pig Blair signed it into law in 1999

[Rog]

17 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

The U.K. has to stay in the single market and follow all the rules and regulations of trade set by the EU (with zero input from the U.K.) or unilaterally rip up the Good Friday Agreement. Of course, that means that the U.K. cannot make trade agreements with other countries, or risk physical barriers and searches to stop hormone-fed beef or cheap Chinese steel crossing borders. It will have to pay for the bureaucracy of the EU necessary to regulate trade, but will have no influence, no one employed by the EU and will not host any EU bodies, but also have to pay all by itself for all diplomatic trade missions and treaty negotiators. The immigration system will remain as it was - up to Britain to sort out, which means it will be whatever business interests want.

It isn’t taking back control. Its losing control. I can’t see business opportunities for anyone, just cheaper industrial food shipped in from half a world away. There are political opportunities for nationalist and ideological movements in Brexit, but nothing for pragmatism or prosperity. 

Nonsense. In any case the Good Friday agreement SHOULD be abandoned. It in effect gives control of a part of Britain to a hostile foreign power. Another bit of Blair chicanery. 

[John Wright]

Just now, Rog said:

The lying traitorous pig Blair signed it into law in 1999

It was the Law from 1953. Between 1953 and 1966 only other members of the Council of Europe could take the UK to the Human Rights Court. Between 1966 and 2000 UK residents could take the UK to that Court. From 2000 the provisions were incorporated into UK Law so British judges could enforce the rights that by Treaty UK residents had been given 47 years earlier.

Not sure how that’s traitorous.

Theres a lot of irrational, paranoid, illogical, hate going on here. There’s a distinct reluctance to actually go to the facts.

[Rog]

Just now, John Wright said:

It was the Law from 1953. Between 1953 and 1966 only other members of the Council of Europe could take the UK to the Human Rights Court. Between 1966 and 2000 UK residents could take the UK to that Court. From 2000 the provisions were incorporated into UK Law so British judges could enforce the rights that by Treaty UK residents had been given 47 years earlier.

Not sure how that’s traitorous.

Theres a lot of irrational, paranoid, illogical, hate going on here. There’s a distinct reluctance to actually go to the facts.

There's even more national pride going on. The ONLY fact that matters is the fact that more than half the votes in the referendum want our country and control of our country back.  There is nothing more important.

[John Wright]

1 minute ago, Rog said:

Nonsense. In any case the Good Friday agreement SHOULD be abandoned. It in effect gives control of a part of Britain to a hostile foreign power. Another bit of Blair chicanery. 

Oh dear. What part of Britain is that? Northern Ireland isn’t, and never has been, part of Britain.

And, assuming you are referring to the Republic of Ireland, hostile foreign power,  don’t make me laugh.

Never mind, NATO and the nuclear threat will keep them under control in your twisted world.

[John Wright]

1 minute ago, Rog said:

There's even more national pride going on. The ONLY fact that matters is the fact that more than half the votes in the referendum want our country and control of our country back.  There is nothing more important.

So what happens, if, in the democratic process, there’s a vote with a different outcome? Which is more important then?

[Rog]

4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Oh dear. What part of Britain is that? Northern Ireland isn’t, and never has been, part of Britain.

And, assuming you are referring to the Republic of Ireland, hostile foreign power,  don’t make me laugh.

Never mind, NATO and the nuclear threat will keep them under control in your twisted world.

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain.  Fact.

[GD4ELI]

1 minute ago, Rog said:

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain.  Fact.

No it isn't.

[Barrie Stevens]

Council of Europe instigated by the Treaty of London 5th May 1949 Treaty No 001...That is where it all started. Little old London See link

https://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/treaty/001

[John Wright]

Just now, Rog said:

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain.  Fact.

No. Northern Ireland has never been part of Great Britain. The country you live in is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales.

[pongo]

2 minutes ago, Rog said:

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain.  Fact.

It's surprising you being so ignorant given that you are apparently so "patriotic". 

[Barrie Stevens]

1 minute ago, GD4ELI said:

No it isn't.

Have you tried telling them that? 'Cos otherwise we had a lot sojers there for nothing about thirty years and they have people elected to the Westminster Parliament some of whom do not actually sit in the House of Commons  but in order to get the peace show on the road were getting paid and funded with offices and facilities in Westminster whether they took the oath and sat or not.

[Rog]

7 minutes ago, John Wright said:

So what happens, if, in the democratic process, there’s a vote with a different outcome? Which is more important then?

There is only one referendum and the outcome was final.  We're escaping from the EU and the sooner the better.