La Colombe Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Rog said: Anyone who has visited London will well understand why. 2 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said: created ghettos out of London boroughs; etc. Lol. London's a fantastic place, best place in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, La Colombe said: Lol. London's a fantastic place, best place in Britain. I suppose it comes down to what one thinks is fantastic. I avoid London like the plague along with a few other cities and big towns in the UK that are rapidly descend into becoming similar crap holes and because of the same root cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rog said: I suppose it comes down to what one thinks is fantastic. I suppose it does. But the best nightclubs, museums, art galleries, gigs and gig venues, eateries, transport, etc, etc swing it for me. Plus a lot of my friends live there. London is what you make of it. 5 minutes ago, Rog said: I avoid London like the plague Oh, there's another one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerrydandridge Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, P.K. said: They expect to lose 3000 officers in the next round of cuts. Good..There seems to be a pattern, the more police you have seems to equal more crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, gerrydandridge said: Good..There seems to be a pattern, the more police you have seems to equal more crime. Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, Rog said: I avoid London like the plague Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Is Gerry waving his CSE in Criminology in our faces again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 50 minutes ago, gerrydandridge said: There seems to be a pattern, the more police you have seems to equal more crime. Or maybe more criminals actually get nicked with more coppers on the street, perhaps? The little emperor, Mayor of London Sadiq Khan can pledge long millions to improve safety for cyclists on London's streets, and more funds to investigate online 'hate crime' yet can't afford to put more coppers on the beat! He was also one of those responsible for reducing (stopping?) 'Stop and Search' procedures on people suspected of carrying knives or firearms because ethnic minorities, and groups representing them cried foul on the alleged disproportionate targeting of people from Black and Asian minorities. In his favour though, he did offer all London schools a, 'Magic Wand' portable metal detector to scan for knives and firearms. All paid for from city funds, but out of 798 schools offered, only around 49 took him up the offer. Something about children's rights and the possibility of profiling therefore implying racial/cultural discrimination, according to education groups and teacher's unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 The "SUS" laws created division because it turned out ethnic minorities were being targeted disproportionally to their numbers. Because they were. And you are never going to get an integrated society if the rule of law is being unfairly applied. Face it, London needs a Sadiq Khan far more than it needed a Bojo. Both Khan and Livingstone are really passionate about improving the lives of Londoners. All Bojo cared about was improving the life of Bojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, P.K. said: . Both Khan and Livingstone are really passionate about improving the lives of Londoners. Haven't done much to deter criminals on 2 wheels , and motorcycle theft. Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, paswt said: Haven't done much to deter criminals on 2 wheels , and motorcycle theft. Just saying How about just saying something that could be done better? It's not like he's done nothing, and it's a tricky problem. Here's something you might have missed. From link: Motorcycle manufacturers are attending a summit at City Hall today (23 January) where the Mayor will tell them it is vital that they help defeat motorcycle-related crime – which includes mopeds and scooters – in the capital by designing anti-theft measures into their vehicles. Last year* there were over 14,000 thefts of motorcycles in London and 23,430 crimes were committed using motorcycles in the capital – an average of 64 a day and a 163 per cent increase compared to the previous year. Representatives from Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, BMW and Piaggio have been invited to meet with the Metropolitan Police, MOPAC, the Motorcycle Industry Association and Secure by Design at City Hall today. During the meeting the Mayor will strongly emphasise the importance of manufacturers taking responsibility for their customers and the safety of all Londoners and taking action to help ‘design out’ motorcycle -related offences. The Mayor has tasked manufacturers with improving the design of new motorcycles to make them more difficult to steal. He would also like to see a range of short-term actions introduced to tackle the problem in existing models, such as retrofitting security devices and closer collaboration between manufacturers and the Met on the Be Safe campaign, launched to raise awareness with scooter riders of what they can do to reduce the risk of their vehicle being stolen. The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said: “Motorcycle-related crime is reckless, frightening, intimidating and will not be tolerated in the capital. “I have tasked the Met with stemming the increase, and they have responded with targeted intelligence-led operations, increased arrests and new tactics. But this is a problem that cannot be solved with policing alone. “Today I am bringing manufacturers and partners together to help us stamp it out once and for all. “It is essential that the manufacturers step up to help us tackle this problem at the source. Put simply, the design of motorcycles make them far too easy to steal and this must be dealt with head-on at the point of design if we are to rid our streets of these crimes.” Today’s meeting will be chaired by the Deputy Mayor of London for Policing & Crime, Sophie Linden, and it will set out an action plan for a major co-ordinated effort to prevent and root out these reckless, intimidating crimes that can have horrific consequences. Most motorcycle crime is carried out on stolen vehicles, so making them harder to steal in the first place is essential. Commander Julian Bennet, Territorial Policing , said: “Police are working hard to keep the public safe and make the streets hostile territory for criminals who steal scooters, mopeds, motorbikes and bicycles. In addition to making the vehicles harder to steal in the first place we deploy a range of proactive tactics on a daily basis to prevent the vehicles being used by criminals who snatch mobile phones and other valuables from unsuspecting members of the public. “We welcome any initiatives that make stealing these vehicles as hard as possible to curtail the criminal actions of these offenders. This includes working with industry, manufacturers, insurance companies and the motorcycle industry association to identify what can be done to prevent theft and to see what theft prevention measures can be designed into these vehicles for the future.” The Met is working extremely hard to tackle this issue through a number of operations on the ground, building intelligence and running targeted prevention campaigns. The Met’s Be Safe campaign encourages riders to layer up their security to reduce their visibility to thieves and encourages all Londoners to be aware of their surroundings. The Met and the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime (MOPAC) continue to work with the motorcycle industry to see what more they can do to help reduce the theft of motorcycles which drives this crime. The Mayor previously met with the Motorcycle Crime Prevent Community, London’s police and partners in September 2017. Sophie Linden, Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime, has also met with delivery drivers including Jabed Hussain, who was the victim of an acid attack in July 2017. All Londoners are urged to remain vigilant - be aware of your surroundings, take care of your personal items such as mobile phones, consider using hands-free on the street, use security features to lock keypads, wipe data remotely, and identify stolen devices. Most importantly, if you see any suspicious activity of have any information about who is committing these crimes please call police on 101 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111. Adie Kitachi, Motorcycle Action Group, said: “As the Motorcycle Security Consultant for Motorcycle Action Group (M.A.G) I'm very happy to be working with the Mayor of London and MOPAC to help reduce motorcycle-related crime. “We're working in partnership to launch a new initiative to educate bikers in both securing their machines effectively and personal security awareness. In reaching out to bikers we aim to listen to their concerns and share useful tips and Ideas. “These 'Night Surgeries' will be featured at busy venues such as the Ace Cafe, where I'll be working alongside the Mayor's Night Czar Amy Lamé. I'm also in direct contact with both motorcycle and security device manufacturers; together we're working at making motorcycles harder, and less tempting, to steal.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, P.K. said: The "SUS" laws created division because it turned out ethnic minorities were being targeted disproportionally to their numbers. Because they were. And you are never going to get an integrated society if the rule of law is being unfairly applied. Face it, London needs a Sadiq Khan far more than it needed a Bojo. Both Khan and Livingstone are really passionate about improving the lives of Londoners. All Bojo cared about was improving the life of Bojo. The reason that "ethnics" were focused upon was because they were responsible for most crime. Londontoday may well want (need?) a Khan creep today because he represents the interests of the troublemakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rog said: The reason that "ethnics" were focused upon was because they were responsible for most crime. Londontoday may well want (need?) a Khan creep today because he represents the interests of the troublemakers. Unfortunately for your prejudices as the same proportion of whites were never stopped and searched there are no figures available to help you "prove" your point. In any event "A man who is tired of London...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 5 hours ago, P.K. said: The "SUS" laws created division because it turned out ethnic minorities were being targeted disproportionally to their numbers. Because they were. And you are never going to get an integrated society if the rule of law is being unfairly applied. A Daily Telegraph FoI request from 2016 and BBC report of November 2017 states that of all knife crime offences committed in London, 65% were carried out by ethnic minorities, 42% of whom were Black. These stats are prior to the upsurge experienced now. So something's not right, for obvious reasons. And it's nothing new. As far back as 1995, Paul Condon, then Commissioner of the Met was lambasted by Bernie Grant, Paul Boetang and Diane Abbot for saying that 80% of street muggings and robberies were committed by black men and boys, at that time, black people accounted for 7% of the London population. Then Home Secretary Michael Howard backed up Condon's report by saying, "Political Correctness is the great discriminator, it is the enemy of the victims of crime and its supporters are friends of the criminal." The statistics pointed to unpalatable truths about crime and disproportionality, and the furore created by the figures being made public. Even back then, in 1995, a reluctance to prosecute for fear of accusations of institutional racism, racial profiling and disproportionate targeting of ethnic communities prevented street-crime being properly addressed. In some cases, Michael Howard is correct about political correctness being the enemy of the victim nearly 30 years on. Deprivation has been touted as one avenue of mitigation; it appears the more deprived an inner London area the greater the population of ethnic minorities and level of knife crime and gang membership. The threat of confinement is no deterrent either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 6 hours ago, woody2 said: police know who these people are but are powerless to do anything..... 3 easy steps... 1- anyone in a gang mandatory 5 years in prison 2-anyone from outside eu without a visa- deport same day 3 anyone from the eu who has failed to register and doesn't have travel documents- deport same day 4. Anyone convicted of murder, 25 to life with minimum 24 years before parole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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