Declan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 11 hours ago, woolley said: There's not as much racism as there used to be. When it was first trotted out to quell the masses it was racialism but it seems to have shrunk..... I agree that there's less racism than there was, that because people bravely challenged it and younger people and fair minded older people looked at the racists and the people challenging them and decided which side they stood. Now obviously, the racists didn't like that and spat the dummy created the concept of political correctness gone mad, set up the idea that being patriotic was now racist and launched a backlash. And sometimes, being human the forces of anti-racism have overstepped the mark, but generally a Britain that is a bit over sensitive to racism is far freer and far more pleasant place to live than one that is insensitive and indifferent to racism. Being anti-racist isn't incompatible being patriotic because it comes from a sense fair-play and tolerance that are supposed to be British values. And the twisted new-speak of the racists isn't going to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Racism is one of the most abused words in the language when it comes to definition. That is down to the political correctists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, woolley said: Racism is one of the most abused words in the language when it comes to definition. That is down to the political correctists. Abused yes, but also being applied where it is simply inapplicable and all too often based on the fallacy that all races of people are equal. It's like claiming that all breeds of dogs are equal, they may well be dogs, but they're certainly not equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 British racism is mostly an expression of white male resentment - typically expressed politically as simple minded populism. Now often dressed up with grand-historical bogus theories around the idea that western civilisation itself is in some sort of apocalyptic battle with alien forces - and undermined by imaginary globalist elites. It invariably harks back to some imagined better time. It's simplistic and nostalgic. It also tends to be offered as an excuse for under-achievement. Someone from Poland can do the job better. Or you made a load of money but still never got to join the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, pongo said: British racism is mostly an expression of white male resentment - typically expressed politically as simple minded populism. Now often dressed up with grand-historical bogus theories around the idea that western civilisation itself is in some sort of apocalyptic battle with alien forces - and undermined by imaginary globalist elites. It invariably harks back to some imagined better time. It's simplistic and nostalgic. It also tends to be offered as an excuse for under-achievement. Someone from Poland can do the job better. Or you made a load of money but still never got to join the club What a strange and utterly ridiculous view! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rog said: What a strange and utterly ridiculous view! Let's face it Rog. Your whole shtick is about you not fitting in. That's what makes you so contrarian. You've nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 the poles standard of work is terrible, they must be working to eu regs....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, pongo said: Let's face it Rog. Your whole shtick is about you not fitting in. That's what makes you so contrarian. You've nothing else. Wrong (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, woody2 said: the poles standard of work is terrible, they must be working to eu regs....... I had no problems with the chaps I had working for me , the standard was excellent and they provided good value . Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, woody2 said: the poles standard of work is terrible, they must be working to eu regs....... 9 minutes ago, paswt said: I had no problems with the chaps I had working for me , the standard was excellent and they provided good value . Could be a case of you get the employees you deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 52 minutes ago, Rog said: Abused yes, but also being applied where it is simply inapplicable and all too often based on the fallacy that all races of people are equal. It's like claiming that all breeds of dogs are equal, they may well be dogs, but they're certainly not equal. First Google result for "racism definition": "1Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. ‘a programme to combat racism’ More example sentences Synonyms 1.1 The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. ‘theories of racism’" https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism Compare and contrast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Just now, Bobbie Bobster said: Could be a case of you get the employees you deserve. I've always treated employees as I'd like to be treated , most work well but a few may see it as a sign of weakness and try to take liberties . Initially I'm in favour of paying 'day rates' as if we don't suit each other they can walk with their day's money when they leave the site. That said never insult the chef before you eat what he's prepared for you and if you do insult him then never return to his restaurant . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said: Could be a case of you get the employees you deserve. i wouldn't employ them...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: First Google result for "racism definition": "1Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. ‘a programme to combat racism’ More example sentences Synonyms 1.1 The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. ‘theories of racism’" https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism Compare and contrast. No race is better or worse as an absolute. It's when people of a particular race move into a different environment that they evolved to fit that the game changes. As for racial characteristics, to pretend for a New York Second that there are not characteristics specific to different races is being delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, woody2 said: i wouldn't employ them...... I wouldn't employ you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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