gettafa Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) '70 take over £50k a year'. A) Cap it at £25k. or B) Failing that, pay as much as has been contributed (including the lumpy and the pay-off). The state pension is on top of that too of course. No one will starve. Plus it would demonstrate just how publicly spirited the top civil servants really are. If they kick up a fuss throw a few MBEs at them and give them a buffet or two. Edited February 5, 2019 by gettafa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, gettafa said: '70 take over £50k a year'. A) Cap it at £25k. or B) Failing that, pay as much as has been contributed (including the lumpy and the pay-off). The state pension is on top of that too of course. No one will starve. Plus it would demonstrate just how publicly spirited the top civil servants really are. If they kick up a fuss throw a few MBEs at them and give them a buffet or two. Been saying this for years. Cap at £25k pa. Cap the lump sum too. After a lifetime's highly paid work, if they can't manage on that plus the state pension and Manx Supplement - probably not far shy of £40k - then it's really hard luck. They seem quick to attack the state pension - higher qualifying ages, phasing out Manx Supplement at the drop of a hat - but any mention of changes to public service retirement benefits, shock, horror. Contractually obliged, don't you know! Some pigs are more equal than others. I am not having a go at modestly paid public employees who have reasonable pensions, by the way. They fully deserve them. It's the higher end who get the rest a bad name. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said: I used the word “seems” as that seems to be people’s general perception. I did not say “he is”. Did you need a ladder for that climb down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cheesy Wheezy said: Do you think? He got their support to be CM after all. That speaks volumes in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 I'm reaching the conclusion that it's now just every dog for himself over here now. Maybe it's looking back with a rose tint, but there's no sense of doing things for the common good and little "community" will any more. Just grab grab grab from the top down. No leadership, no example setting. Getting time to go methinks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Non-Believer said: I'm reaching the conclusion that it's now just every dog for himself over here now. Maybe it's looking back with a rose tint, but there's no sense of doing things for the common good and little "community" will any more. Just grab grab grab from the top down. No leadership, no example setting. Getting time to go methinks. There is certainly a lack of direction 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 downwards is the direction Derek. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 12 hours ago, Non-Believer said: I'm reaching the conclusion that it's now just every dog for himself over here now. Maybe it's looking back with a rose tint, but there's no sense of doing things for the common good and little "community" will any more. Just grab grab grab from the top down. No leadership, no example setting. Getting time to go methinks. Where is any different in that respect though? I think we still have a better sense of community (as explored in another thread recently) than many places. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 As far as I can tell all these vastly over-paid and thus over-pensioned worthies are all down to delusions of unnecessary statehood. For example why have we got a Chief Constable on at least £140k? The police manning levels and amount of crime and so forth simply can't justify it. Now I have no problems with the island having a Chief Constable per se. But the salary should reflect the workload and amount of responsibility. It's a long time but maybe Superintendant level at most? Over to you Derek..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Derek Flint said: There is certainly a lack of direction Yep, Quayle is very much a "Me First" Chief Minister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 hours ago, P.K. said: As far as I can tell all these vastly over-paid and thus over-pensioned worthies are all down to delusions of unnecessary statehood. For example why have we got a Chief Constable on at least £140k? The police manning levels and amount of crime and so forth simply can't justify it. Now I have no problems with the island having a Chief Constable per se. But the salary should reflect the workload and amount of responsibility. It's a long time but maybe Superintendant level at most? Over to you Derek..... The CC used to be paid 20% more than a UK Supt, in the days of Robin Oake. Then Mike Culverhouse came and it all went a bit “Rock Star” - company car, bonuses for low crime (which were outrageous). GR to his credit ditched the bonuses but kept the company motor. Several years ago, I suggested the DHA should take an “Emergency Services Commissioner” model, where there is an Executive Chief across Fire, Police and Paramedic Services, with specialist service delivery officers (likely at Supt equivalent) for each area. I believe the Fire Chief out-earns the CC. Either way, there is little doubt it has all gone the way as the rest of the Civil Service. There is now a Chief, three supers and at least 4 Chief Inspectors. And that model has changed at least four times in the last 10 yrs. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 That is appalling and probably beyond the worst theories on these boards. And presumably partly dates back to our claim as the independent high-value, high cost nation that some have fanfared for the last 25yrs. And Govt says there's no savings to be made. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 We despearately need the appointment of the Auditor General to get The Bloat under control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 18 hours ago, Non-Believer said: I'm reaching the conclusion that it's now just every dog for himself over here now. Maybe it's looking back with a rose tint, but there's no sense of doing things for the common good and little "community" will any more. Just grab grab grab from the top down. No leadership, no example setting. Getting time to go methinks. Unfortunately big money brings out the very worst in most people at all levels. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Derek Flint said: The CC used to be paid 20% more than a UK Supt, in the days of Robin Oake. Then Mike Culverhouse came and it all went a bit “Rock Star” - company car, bonuses for low crime (which were outrageous). GR to his credit ditched the bonuses but kept the company motor. Several years ago, I suggested the DHA should take an “Emergency Services Commissioner” model, where there is an Executive Chief across Fire, Police and Paramedic Services, with specialist service delivery officers (likely at Supt equivalent) for each area. I believe the Fire Chief out-earns the CC. Either way, there is little doubt it has all gone the way as the rest of the Civil Service. There is now a Chief, three supers and at least 4 Chief Inspectors. And that model has changed at least four times in the last 10 yrs. What the hell do they do all day? Besides keeping an eye on their burgeoning portfolios..... Back of a fag packet those eight coppers must be pulling down over £500k per annum. Add the bennies and it gets scary. AND FOR WHAT???!!! Someone in Gov needs to put them on a trowel.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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