pongo Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, quilp said: Nauseating virtue-signalling at its most bilious... The accusation of "virtue-signalling" is in a sense a form of "virtue-signalling". In this sense it's recursive. Certainly a lazy ad hominem well past its sell-by date. ETA: the superlative also seems like an exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 10 hours ago, Declan said: Oh look Quilp's ranting about Muslims again. Isn't the point of the organisation that you accept all members, get them to sign up to the principles and then hold them to account? They will not necessarily meet Human Rights standards but the UN committee becomes a tool to pressuring them into change. If only that were so. Sadly, since the commissioner got blown to bits in Baghdad in 2003 it tends not to monitor, just examine complaints. It has some pretty unsavoury members, is ineffective and makes biased judgements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue, and many sound principles are first uttered by rouges. That is about the only hope we can get from the reality of the UN’s Human Rights body. Sure, the US has a worsening human rights record, but compared to Saudi, China or Russia then it is clear which is a better country to live in - and they are by no means the worst of the UNHCR’s members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 8 hours ago, woolley said: Your trendy interpretation. Doesn't work in practice. The greater good of the greater number is what counts. So what happens to those who are not part of the "greater number" as you put it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 11 hours ago, quilp said: Nauseating virtue-signalling at its most bilious... Oh no, the other one is upset with me. I wonder when the rando-bot will be along to join in for the hate triple score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Chinahand said: Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue, and many sound principles are first uttered by rouges. That is about the only hope we can get from the reality of the UN’s Human Rights body. Sure, the US has a worsening human rights record, but compared to Saudi, China or Russia then it is clear which is a better country to live in - and they are by no means the worst of the UNHCR’s members. You don't defeat the darkness by switching off the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 7 hours ago, P.K. said: So what happens to those who are not part of the "greater number" as you put it? In the Woolster's world...tough shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: You don't defeat the darkness by switching off the light. You're definitely over-egging it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, quilp said: You're definitely over-egging it here. Let's face it the US is becoming more like a banana republic every day. The US's ability to stand on the moral high ground has been shakier the longer the Trump swamp is in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 13 hours ago, P.K. said: So what happens to those who are not part of the "greater number" as you put it? 6 hours ago, RIchard Britten said: In the Woolster's world...tough shit. Totally depends on "those". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 22 hours ago, pongo said: You two are equal opposites. The same in most ways. And of course you are the fulcrum with all of the wisdom to arbitrate on who is what. I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 6 hours ago, RIchard Britten said: You don't defeat the darkness by switching off the light. We've really swallowed the cliche book today. What if the light is shining in the wrong direction and illuminating nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 42 minutes ago, woolley said: We've really swallowed the cliche book today. What if the light is shining in the wrong direction and illuminating nothing? I dunno. Does your cliché explain how putting children in cages is moral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: I dunno. Does your cliché explain how putting children in cages is moral? I didn't use a cliche. I paraphrased the one you used. Your petty moral outrage for the entire world is quite bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, woolley said: I didn't use a cliche. I paraphrased the one you used. Your petty moral outrage for the entire world is quite bizarre. "petty moral outrage". The fact you seem to display no outrage at all, petty or otherwise, about children in cages says you're someone I don't need to be having a debate with about morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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