woolley Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, dilligaf said: I won't mock the inflicted, but FFS It's not a high bar when you think about the ones they've had from Nixon onward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, woolley said: 1 hour ago, dilligaf said: I won't mock the inflicted, but FFS It's not a high bar when you think about the ones they've had from Nixon onward. FFS, I've just spotted what I posted. I meant "the afflicted" not inflicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, dilligaf said: FFS, I've just spotted what I posted. I meant "the afflicted" not inflicked. Doesn't matter, Dilly, I knew what you meant and I'm not upset because I understand that the cleared blue water betwixt us isn't personal - at least not on my side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 11 hours ago, Rog said: I honestly don't see what decent people don't like about this POTUS. I really don't. Yes...it is a mystery how an emotionally and empathy crippled individual can't see the same trait in someone else with the same traits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 42 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Yes...it is a mystery how an emotionally and empathy crippled individual can't see the same trait in someone else with the same traits... less about you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 17 hours ago, the stinking enigma said: You forgot the mercenaries in brunei bazza. And the many that fight on behalf of corporations now. Otherwise, good work. Keep it up Moot point and one I am aware of! Yes, the UK turned down the idea of the Ayrabs funding British military might in the Middle East on the basis of "British soldiers are not Mercs".. On the other hand UK forces were seconded to some Arab forces and places such as Brunei. My neighbour and long term Island resident until ten years ago was in what I think they called the Trucial Scouts. or Trucial Oman Scouts formed by the British in 1951. In 1971 it became the Union Defence Force I think when the United Arab Emirates was created (UAE)...The key difference to being a "Merc" or not a "Merc was that the forces were founded by the British and UK personnel invited to join or transfer so technically not mercenaries. I suppose the technical and legal difference is that they would swear allegiance to the Queen and then the UK would place the troops in the Arab countries but always under British control. Are they "Mercs". Well my neighbour got his UK Army pay, allowances, bonuses and good living conditions and a bonus from the Sheikh when they had done good on "Ops". The Arabs funded the extra pay. The Arabs also funded the water and fuel in the Gulf Wars. He told me that in 1968 his take home pay as a technically an Ordnance Corps clerk of the British Army was £60 a week and the rest! MF members may care to look up the Battle of Mirbat which was an SAS operation which single handedly secured the region for years. Also in the context of "Mercs" look up Glubb Pasha... I recall the Malaysian Wars in the 1960s and the UK was advertising short service commissions with gratuity for anyone willing to serve in British organised forces defending Malaysia from Indonesia. Three years service, about £3,750 a year and £3,750 bonus on leaving but remaining on reserve. Were they "Mercs"? Moot point. I know the British paid bounties to the natives for bringing in the heads of Indonesian insurgents. The Americans in Vietnam paid for ears. All this well within living memory. I note that the UK has now a base back in Bahrain and a frigate on station now or soon. What goes round comes round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I also recall the RAF had its own version of overseas secondments. RAF or very recent RAF pilots flew for the British forces organised for the Arabs countering insurgency. They were paid extra on top of RAF pay and flew as I recall the souped up version of the then RAF trainer the Jet Provost. Its upgraded version was the BAC Strike Master. Many small countries had them as their main air force 'plane. British pilots flew them but their allegiance was to the Queen even retired pilots still on reserve following their regular service. If your are on reserve following service you can still be recalled or invited to undertake duties. I was at school with a fellow who retired from the RAF at 55 having joined at 18. Cranwell man! He was until recently still serving the RAF in Afghanistan as a member of the R.A.A.F (Royal Auxiliary Air Force) flying transports. There are ways of not being labelled a mercenary whilst still taking the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 12:43 PM, Rog said: Again? As was done in WW2? The war crime that never was admitted. War crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Bomber Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Why oh why oh why oh why oh why must the state sponsored bbc peddle this propaganda? Who else is china likely to be training to bomb? Maybe it just dawned upon them that they were getting wiped out too had the cuban missile crisis not been averted. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45218741 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Why oh why oh why oh why oh why must the state sponsored bbc peddle this propaganda? Who else is china likely to be training to bomb? Maybe it just dawned upon them that they were getting wiped out too had the cuban missile crisis not been averted. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45218741 The excellent BBC is not spreading propaganda. It's reporting the Pentagon analysis. The story here is not that China is training for strikes on US targets. The story is that the Pentagon says that China is 'training for strikes' on US targets. That's very different. It might seem a subtle difference but it's very significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I'd agree with that. What we will both disagree on is why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: I'd agree with that. What we will both disagree on is why. I suppose it depends what voice you read the article in. Perhaps it is supposed to be read with sceptical voice - as if you cannot believe they are really saying it. Perhaps that's what the quotes imply. Or whether you assume that the typical reader takes the Pentagon position to be definitive. It's fair to assume that people can make their own judgement. Like you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 You're getting better at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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