CallMeCurious Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Ringy Rose said: Not really, even ten years' loss of earnings for a bus driver would be £250k. Add in how they've screwed him out of a pension and free bus travel worth £800 a year and it soon mounts up. Given his circumstances, he can't work as a bus driver as there isn't another bus company to work for. What's more interesting is how the DOI refused to engage because they knew the cap would apply. Goes to show the cap isn't fit for purpose. Speaking of Longworth, any news about how that MER tram managed to derail on a straight bit of track? http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=55427&headline=Costs of MER rail renewals revealed by FoI§ionIs=&searchyear=2020 Love how they quote revenue figures..... not profit. So for the figures given the average cost of track renewal and Infrastructure works is £1,454,796 per annum and the average combined direct and combined explorer revenue is £1,489,939 per annum. So the remaining £35,143 per annum left over has to cover staff salary, advertising, administration, rolling stock and track maintenance (i.e. the track not being replaced), insurances, electricity bills. Not to mention coaches to ferry cruise ship passengers to the bungalow or Laxey. If they are relaying @2 miles a year for the next 20+ years that'll be another £32,880,530 on track laying alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Glad he got a win in the end, 60k seems a lot on the surface of it, but this guy was under so much stress during all this nonsense, he was effectively forced out for what was a mistake that should’ve been covered during training and wasn’t. He said to me the buses might be top of the range but the training is next to non existent, most of the drivers don’t know what half the buttons/switches even do and this hold brake thing happened all the time, in truth the driver shouldn’t be touching the isolator but that’s what they were told to do to reset everything. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Gladys said: It's in the legislation. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Presumably, to limit financial awards given by a tribunal rather than a court. Although, unfair dismissal cases arising from whistleblowing heard by the tribunal are not capped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I bet this situation happens a lot if the driver had been on a level road, say the bus station the bus probably would not have moved it was unlucky it was on a steep incline and rolled backwards and lucky no one was killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Didn't the Horse Tram conductors have whistles to blow? Does that mean they they would be un-capped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 23 hours ago, hissingsid said: I bet this situation happens a lot if the driver had been on a level road, say the bus station the bus probably would not have moved it was unlucky it was on a steep incline and rolled backwards and lucky no one was killed. Well from what I was told, drivers using the hold brake (in place of the handbrake) was commonplace, drivers shouldn’t touch the isolator switch but we’re advised to do so to force a reset due to electrical gremlins (switch if off/on again tech support from the fitters) the fitters didn’t know the hold brake was being used by drivers instead of the handbrake, the loss of hold brake when power was cut was down to poor training/management and was never covered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 I just can't believe that the Citaro has brakes which default to the disengaged position when power is disconnected. It seems incredibly brainless. My car has an electric hold brake which holds the service brake on, but if I turn the engine off it automatically engages the handbrake. I imagine using the hold brake was commonplace, I know I use the hold brake in my car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Agreed. It should have been an important point in the 'training' can't understand why it wasn't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 It's just typical of modern vehicles. Way too complex. There is nothing wrong with a good old fashioned handbrake but like most things nowadays good, solid, basic engineering has given way to fashion and show just to make money by deceiving a gullible public. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 All cars, old and new, depend on that nut just behind the steering-wheel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsmeee Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 On 11/1/2021 at 6:44 PM, CallMeCurious said: http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=55427&headline=Costs of MER rail renewals revealed by FoI§ionIs=&searchyear=2020 Love how they quote revenue figures..... not profit. So for the figures given the average cost of track renewal and Infrastructure works is £1,454,796 per annum and the average combined direct and combined explorer revenue is £1,489,939 per annum. So the remaining £35,143 per annum left over has to cover staff salary, advertising, administration, rolling stock and track maintenance (i.e. the track not being replaced), insurances, electricity bills. Not to mention coaches to ferry cruise ship passengers to the bungalow or Laxey. If they are relaying @2 miles a year for the next 20+ years that'll be another £32,880,530 on track laying alone. This drives me insane. I use the Groudle road frequently and they always seem to be replacing the railway tracks along there, spending goodness knows hoe many millions while our hospital services are falling apart. The railways should all be taken out of government control and run by volunteers. The made up figures about income that are spouted are just insulting and ridiculous. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Given that buses are presumably insured, I wonder how much this poor fella's mistake cost the Department? A lot less than £60K I would imagine, yet he was sacked for it. The person responsible for deciding what training the drivers should have. Their mistake has just cost the Department £60K. I wonder what will happen to them? What's good for the goose.......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, A fool and his money..... said: Given that buses are presumably insured, I wonder how much this poor fella's mistake cost the Department? A lot less than £60K I would imagine, yet he was sacked for it. The person responsible for deciding what training the drivers should have. Their mistake has just cost the Department £60K. I wonder what will happen to them? What's good for the goose.......... Government vehicles aren't insured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 He's been a bus driver for as long as I can remember so he must've accumulated a handy pension pot, with a possible lump sum greater than 60k and monthlies thereafter. Is the award on top of his pension rights or did he lose out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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