Howard Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, pongo said: But surely the establishment, such as it is, is worth defending. Our great institutions, our public services, universities, military etc. That isn't the establishment. Those are institutions which are used by the establishment. And the "anti-establishment" movement you referred to was created by the establishment to promote their agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Howard said: The "anti-establishment" movement you referred to was created by the establishment to promote their agenda. You sound a bit silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, pongo said: You sound a bit silly No, it's well known the whole 60s movement was a PSYOP by the intelligence services. Where do you think LSD came from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Howard said: the BBC are too left-wing on domestic and social issues, and too right-wing etc 46 minutes ago, Howard said: The whole left vs right thing is made up anyway so not a helpful way to measure output. You're contradicting yourselves as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, Howard said: No, it's well known the whole 60s movement was a PSYOP by the intelligence services. Where do you think LSD came from? The fact that LSD had been tested by the military - including on some who later promoted it, does mean that its widespread use was a govt conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, pongo said: You're contradicting yourselves as usual. No, I was using a primitive language in order to communicate with primitive people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, pongo said: The fact that LSD had been tested by the military - including on some who later promoted it, does mean that its widespread use was a govt conspiracy. No, but the prevalence of drugs, the whole drug war (which is really a war on poor people / perpetuating a class system), the trafficking of drugs by the intelligence services to fund their operations outside of the eyes or controls of institutions that would otherwise provide democratic oversight, is all a matter of historical record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Howard said: No, but the prevalence of drugs, the whole drug war (which is really a war on poor people / perpetuating a class system), the trafficking of drugs by the intelligence services to fund their operations outside of the eyes or controls of institutions that would otherwise provide democratic oversight, is all a matter of historical record. LSD hasn't really got anything to with any of the drugs you might be talking about here. It's never been a significant money maker because it's not typically habitual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Yeh, I wasn't just talking about LSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giri Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 The BBC is and always have been a propaganda tool for the Crown and it's getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 33 minutes ago, Giri said: The BBC is and always have been a propaganda tool for the Crown and it's getting worse. What's getting worse is the tripe posted on here. It usually nosedives during the summer hols but even so. The island seems very right wing but that's hardly surprising. After all, the entire island has been completely whored to a totally amoral finance sector. Unfortunately they brought their ethos of mercenary greed with them. A good 'state of the nation" indicator - every morning our local Co-Op takes delivery of a massive pile of Daily Wails and just three Grauniads. One of which is mine.... So most folks on here will think the BBC has a left wing bias because the Daily Wail says it has! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Sales of physical newspapers have been dropping for years - I doubt many tech-literate folk under the age of fifty ever pay for a newspaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Freggyragh said: Sales of physical newspapers have been dropping for years - I doubt many tech-literate folk under the age of fifty ever pay for a newspaper. So they miss out on depth, comment, alternative viewpoints etc etc. All they get is snippets and soundbites. Little wonder so many folk these days have little idea about whats going on around them. Their loss.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, P.K. said: So they miss out on depth, comment, alternative viewpoints etc etc. All they get is snippets and soundbites. Little wonder so many folk these days have little idea about whats going on around them. Their loss.... I guess you are right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 hours ago, P.K. said: So they miss out on depth, comment, alternative viewpoints etc etc. All they get is snippets and soundbites. Little wonder so many folk these days have little idea about whats going on around them. Their loss.... 3 hours ago, dilligaf said: I guess you are right there In retrospect I'm wrong. We ALL lose. Brexit being a very good case in point..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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