Maire Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Just now, P.K. said: Don't be stupid. What, the belief was the planks were going to influence Stormont or something? Ridiculous.... So why did the Catholic ppl turn against the army when weeks previously they had welcomed them with open arms? They weren't the saviours they expected but instead became another arm of a gerrymandered govt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maire Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Rog said: Typical Eirish. Keep asking the same question until they get an answer they want irrespective of facts. If they had kept out of Ulster instead of infiltrating and causing trouble there would have been no trouble. So you believe that a gerrymandered govt and treating people of a certain religion as second class citizens was acceptable? Edited September 15, 2018 by Maire Missed words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Maire said: So why did the Catholic ppl turn against the army when weeks previously they had welcomed them with open arms? They weren't the saviours they expected but instead became another arm of a gerrymandered govt They were never another arm of a gerrymandered government because they had nothing whatever to do with politics. Has that sunk in? It sometimes seems that way for no other reason than it tends to be in the political arena where the consequences of their actions get played out. So you are completely wrong there. So you can explain this: "So why did the Catholic ppl turn against the army when weeks previously they had welcomed them with open arms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maire Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 PK... People's perceptions and reality are different. I'm telling you that this is why the Catholic people turned against the army.. I have it from the horse's mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Just now, Maire said: PK... People's perceptions and reality are different. I'm telling you that this is why the Catholic people turned against the army.. I have it from the horse's mouth. Why did they turn against the army there to protect them? It's a very simple question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maire Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) Because the army didn't stop the RUC etc from beatings etc.. The army enforced a curfew on the Catholic areas.. The army basically stopped the burning of houses.. that's it.. They didn't stop attacks on Catholic people by loyalists or the police. Edited September 15, 2018 by Maire Autocorrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maire Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 *from giving beatings.. Soz on phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Maire said: Because the army didn't stop the rich etc from beatings etc.. The army enforced a curfew on the Catholic areas.. The army basically stopped the burning of houses.. that's it.. They didn't stop attacks on Catholic people by loyalists or the police. All of the above would have been much much worse without the planks. Simple as. They "basically stopped the burning of houses" so because they were protecting catholics the catholics turned against them. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maire Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Ummmm The curfew ONLY in Catholic areas Allowing Catholics to be beaten etc in front of them and doing nothing to stop it Using old intelligence to raid houses and arrest people Being the ones who enforced interment Killing innocent people Need I go on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Maire said: "Allowing Catholics to be beaten etc in front of them and doing nothing to stop it" - don't believe that unless it was the RUC enforcing the rule of law. "Using old intelligence to raid houses and arrest people" - supplied and directed by the RUC. "Being the ones who enforced interment" just obeying orders alongside the RUC in the support role "Killing innocent people" unlike the murderous thugs on both sides it wouldn't be deliberate due to ROE. Care to try again? Edited September 15, 2018 by P.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maire Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 PK where you there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maire Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Did your family live through it? Where you brought up with stories about it? Was your family directly affected by it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Maire said: Did your family live through it? Where you brought up with stories about it? Was your family directly affected by it? We're manx, not Irish. I'm still waiting for your explanation as to why the catholics turned against their protectors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maire Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I've given you the reason several times... The reasons are from a Northern Irish Catholic who now lives here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Rog said: Typical Eirish. Keep asking the same question until they get an answer they want irrespective of facts. If they had kept out of Ulster instead of infiltrating and causing trouble there would have been no trouble. We’ve previously established that you not only support terror campaigns against British soldiers and neither understand British political geography nor consider it your homeland, but try to remember these simple points: 1. Both Catholic and Protestant people of Ulster have deep historic roots in the North of Ireland. Only the most extreme headcases have ever proposed inflicting genocide on the other side. The Catholics and Protestants are essentially from the same stock. 2. A third of Ulster is in the Republic of Ireland and has never been part of the contrived statelet of Northern Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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