Barrie Stevens Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Neil Down said: I have no desire to share my service record with somebody like you who has an obvious delusional disorder. You have noting to share and if you did and were genuine then you would very proud to make a more detailed reference to it on here... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I see that an ex-IRA man has named the four alleged bombers responsible for the Birmingham pub atrocities. The IRA knew all the time that the Birmingham six were innocent and that the wrong men were rotting in gaol. Perhaps the British government did too. The IRA sacrificed their own innocent countrymen for the cause of independence, not to mention the lives of all those innocent victims inside the pubs. As we've already said, it was a dirty war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 There's a documentary on Netflix at the moment about the Miami showband massacre. Worth a watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 The attitude of the British establishment to the victims of the Birmingham bombings, and other atrocities, isn’t good. They’ve had very little support in terms of legal aid and very little political support. Frankly, Chris Mullin’s behaviour, from a politician of all people, stinks. Motorman, Ballymurphy, Bloody Sunday and the collusion with the Loyalists gangs as well as IRA informers were awful. There are still many questions about government collusion and corruption and the way the public and security forces were dealt with that need answering. The British Government, to their credit, have organised inquiries into Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy. On the other hand, the victims of republican terror; Birmingham, Claudy, Guildford, Warrington, Enniskillen, Omagh, La Mon, Kingsmill, Jean McConville, etc, and loyalist terror; the Shankill Butchers, Miami Showband, McGurks, Dublin, Monaghan, The Heights, Greysteel, Castletock, etc. need independent enquiries too. It is too late for justice now. Sadly, justice was the price of peace, but if justice is no longer possible, the very least the victims deserve is the truth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 50 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: The attitude of the British establishment to the victims of the Birmingham bombings, and other atrocities, isn’t good. They’ve had very little support in terms of legal aid and very little political support. Frankly, Chris Mullin’s behaviour, from a politician of all people, stinks. Motorman, Ballymurphy, Bloody Sunday and the collusion with the Loyalists gangs as well as IRA informers were awful. There are still many questions about government collusion and corruption and the way the public and security forces were dealt with that need answering. The British Government, to their credit, have organised inquiries into Bloody Sunday and Ballymurphy. On the other hand, the victims of republican terror; Birmingham, Claudy, Guildford, Warrington, Enniskillen, Omagh, La Mon, Kingsmill, Jean McConville, etc, and loyalist terror; the Shankill Butchers, Miami Showband, McGurks, Dublin, Monaghan, The Heights, Greysteel, Castletock, etc. need independent enquiries too. It is too late for justice now. Sadly, justice was the price of peace, but if justice is no longer possible, the very least the victims deserve is the truth. Yo are correct. What is worse, is this apology of a government appeasing certain parties to the cost of former soldiers whilst happily letting known terrorists go free. A dirty, dirty conflict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ten-shot-dead-in-ballymurphy-massacre-entirely-innocent-coroner-finds-1.4561691%3fmode=amp 50 years is quite a long time really 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 The British Army's murderous actions and the government's attitude to its own citizens turned a civil rights issue into thirty years of terror. They did more for IRA recruitment than any recruiting officer ever could. After watching that documentary I'd be tempted to join the IRA myself, and my family are staunch Orange Lodge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/19/2021 at 3:57 PM, Max Power said: The British Army's murderous actions and the government's attitude to its own citizens turned a civil rights issue into thirty years of terror. They did more for IRA recruitment than any recruiting officer ever could. After watching that documentary I'd be tempted to join the IRA myself, and my family are staunch Orange Lodge! From Ballymurphy to Bloody Sunday the refrain is always the same to wit: "If you shoot at the British Army - they shoot back..." Who would have thought it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 14 hours ago, P.K. said: From Ballymurphy to Bloody Sunday the refrain is always the same to wit: "If you shoot at the British Army - they shoot back..." Who would have thought it... Yes, but who shot at them, if anyone, obviously not the people who were murdered? It seems that they were shooting at each other by mistake. Those killed were British civilians, why was a regiment like the Paras deployed against them in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 They're tough words but P.K. has a point. The Paras were used because they had long experience with terrorism in various post-war hotspots such as Palestine, Malaysia and Aden. Never forget the hundreds of innocent civilians murdered in cold blood by the IRA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 22, 2021 Author Share Posted May 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said: They're tough words but P.K. has a point. The Paras were used because they had long experience with terrorism in various post-war hotspots such as Palestine, Malaysia and Aden. Never forget the hundreds of innocent civilians murdered in cold blood by the IRA. But not at this point, these two events strengthened a weak IRA and gave them cause to begin killing. At the point of Ballymurphy, the troubles were reasonably low key. The hatred for the British escalated following these killings. The Paras were brought in because the British government saw its own people as the enemy, when this wasn't the case. Catholics were marching for civil rights, attacked by Protestants and retaliated. Watch the documentary, it's grim stuff but you'd see things differently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 An unprinted report written by Murray Sayle for the Sunday Times just after Bloody Sunday, it doesn't make good reading for the British Army and their account of things. If only it had been printed at the time and not held back for political reasons! https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v24/n13/murray-sayle/bloody-sunday-report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 19 hours ago, Max Power said: An unprinted report written by Murray Sayle for the Sunday Times just after Bloody Sunday, it doesn't make good reading for the British Army and their account of things. If only it had been printed at the time and not held back for political reasons! https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v24/n13/murray-sayle/bloody-sunday-report Or if the British government put even 50% of the effort into looking into IRA murders as they have with shootings involving British soldiers. Happy to give IRA immunity but go hell for leather after British servicemen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 And Loyalist murders, of course... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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