0bserver Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: My assessment would be Cannan pushed it to the limits with his sacking of Greenhow and others months back and now the CS has rounded on him and he has nowhere else to go. You can’t burn civil servants for too long as their entire existence relies on them not being possibly sacked. His failure was not going further and faster. He started his mass clear out but then it ran out of steam for some unknown reason. If he was going to do it he needed to clear out the top layer(s) of CS right across the board. He failed. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 31 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: The CS won. He needs to fire up the juggernaut again. It might be a tad late for that. Missed opportunity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Passing Time said: It might be a tad late for that. Missed opportunity I suspect someone had a quiet word in his ear very early on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 46 minutes ago, Passing Time said: It might be a tad late for that. Missed opportunity He only had one chance and that was to act fast while he had an element of surprise over the CS. Now they've had time to circle the wagons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 3 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: My assessment would be Cannan pushed it to the limits with his sacking of Greenhow and others months back and now the CS has rounded on him and he has nowhere else to go. You can’t burn civil servants for too long as their entire existence relies on them not being possibly sacked. It looks more and more that that was more to do with a power struggle between Greenhow and Randall. And once his rival was ejected, Randall settled into the comfy chair and all the promised reforms stopped, except for a bit of rhetoric about 'culture change' when they want to do something and can't think of any other convincing excuse for it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 8 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: My assessment would be Cannan pushed it to the limits with his sacking of Greenhow and others months back and now the CS has rounded on him and he has nowhere else to go. You can’t burn civil servants for too long as their entire existence relies on them not being possibly sacked. I think you have maybe strayed into drama/soap opera territory. You could be right though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 At this rate Rob will think he’s got the support to overthrow Alf and run for leader. Appointing Rob to CoMin showed poor judgement by Alf. And yes it did cause raised eyebrows. i suspect the dept members tried to have a quiet word and Alf asked for it in writing. alf needed to do the CS clear out he did, and yes it could maybe have gone further, but he has done little to follow up on it, he’s left interims in place all over government. Doing their best, some v good. But they aren’t permanent postings. I’d say he’s v good at decisive action but needs someone following that up with the what happens next… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 37 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I think you have maybe strayed into drama/soap opera territory. You could be right though. This is now a soap opera. One week on from Rob Callister the NPM reporting the political members of the DHSC saying they have been forced to comment publicly. They also insist they are not the ‘villains’. Whatever has gone on in the DHSC isn’t looking good. It’s not looking good for Rob Callister, if the rumours of ‘ruffling feathers at the hospital’ are to be believed. It certainly doesn’t look good for Joney Faragher, Michelle Haywood and Tanya August September Calender, as it shows they can’t work with people (even if there are personality issues), and above CM Cannan can’t man manage his own team. CM Cannan has zero leadership qualities, to resolve, to problem solve, to coach, or to negotiate. Sacking should be a last resort, all this episode has shown is how bad things are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 And Rob is a nice guy, but was out of his depth as a minister of an important department facing real challenges. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 9 hours ago, 0bserver said: His failure was not going further and faster. He started his mass clear out but then it ran out of steam for some unknown reason. If he was going to do it he needed to clear out the top layer(s) of CS right across the board. He failed. He went as far as he needed to make it seem like he's doing something. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: He went as far as he needed to make it seem like he's doing something. How much further did people want him to go? There seem to be a few here stating it was a missed opportunity but what did you all realistically expect him to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: It looks more and more that that was more to do with a power struggle between Greenhow and Randall. And once his rival was ejected, Randall settled into the comfy chair and all the promised reforms stopped, except for a bit of rhetoric about 'culture change' when they want to do something and can't think of any other convincing excuse for it. Randall seems to be the architect of the deluledd 500,000 visitors a year plan. He says its achievable because it happened once in the 1940s. We are in good hands. Maybe Alf stopped the cull because they couldn't afford the big payouts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 49 minutes ago, Asthehills said: How much further did people want him to go? There seem to be a few here stating it was a missed opportunity but what did you all realistically expect him to do? Maybe demonstrate the power of leadership and put the CS back in their all too comfy box. AC should have made it very clear there will be accountability from the CS. Instead he rolled over and had his belly rubbed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Gay'n Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 10 hours ago, 0bserver said: His failure was not going further and faster. He started his mass clear out but then it ran out of steam for some unknown reason. If he was going to do it he needed to clear out the top layer(s) of CS right across the board. He failed. As Field Marshall von Moltke said - "No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the main enemy forces. Only the layman believes that in the course of a campaign he sees the consistent implementation of an original thought that has been considered in advance in every detail and retained to the end." This is often abbreviated, as by Eisenhower, to - "No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy." The questions here are, was there a plan and who/what is/are the enemy? PS Could our politicians have an 'original thought'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 12 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: If he hasn’t worked it out yet the media latches on to egotistical unfiltered people for content. There must be an open door for him @ IOM Newspapers or Manx Radio as it’s a story literally waking in off the street and presenting itself to you when you’re the laziest journalists going. Same as social media outbursts. It’s in the public domain so they will report on it. It’s free content and they haven’t even had to get off their arses to discover it. Then they can try to build a story around the stuff you said. Im sure he thinks he’s playing them when they’re actually playing him and making him look like an arse most of the time. My point exactly. He clearly thought it was going to be a one way ride; the gospel according to Rob. How wrong could he be?! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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