WTF Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Two-lane said: What have been in the public eye recently are Liverpool Landing Stage and Ranson. What has been you contribution? a little wet one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, cissolt said: Nobody does. You all claim to work very hard being the scenes, but what do we see you doing? Questions in Tynwald are a mechanism for politicians to hold government to account.... remember that from your manifesto Mr Peters? Questions in Tynwald or keys from the likes of moorehouse & Ashford are a waste of time & the answers can be easily obtained from basic research or picking up phone. Its nothing more than trying to signal look at me aren’t I busy & great asking about seagulls, parking, post boxes etc etc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Two-lane said: What have been in the public eye recently are Liverpool Landing Stage and Ranson. What has been you contribution? Voted for extra funds to finish the Liverpool Terminal on the basis (IMO) it was the lesser of two evils and spoke in Tynwald about it. Ranson still a legal process so not appropriate to interfere until officially invited to comment/question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Banker said: Questions in Tynwald or keys from the likes of moorehouse & Ashford are a waste of time & the answers can be easily obtained from basic research or picking up phone. They usually aren't easily obtained from 'basic research' (which is a bit rich from someone who can't be bothered to look up a bus timetable) and official replies will always point out when they are in a rather smug manner. As for 'picking up [a] phone' the point about asking such questions is that they are public and anyone should have access to the information in the reply. That's why FoI responses are published as well. A phone call will only inform a few people at most - and with some people you're better getting it in writing anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Stu Peters said: Voted for extra funds to finish the Liverpool Terminal on the basis (IMO) it was the lesser of two evils and spoke in Tynwald about it It would have been preferable to insist on a cost breakdown being published for the taxpayers before handing over more taxpayers money. You might still ask for such a document. The following answers would not be acceptable: 1. The project managers have no idea where the money goes, so cannot produce a breakdown 2. Certain MHKs have been given sight of the breakdown, and they are perfectly satisfied with the data 3. A breakdown cannot be published without commercial confidence being broken. So the cost breakdown of a £70 million project is..... £70 million, take it or leave it 2 hours ago, Stu Peters said: Ranson still a legal process so not appropriate to interfere until officially invited to comment/question. In the industrial tribunal Ranson vs the Government, the Government lost by a wide margin. The Government is not an amorphous blob - it is people, with names. It is you and others. The recent hearing was merely to discuss how much money Ranson will receive. As has been commented on here, she was subjected to a style of interrogation that was so extreme that she broke down several times. This was a process initiated by the Government i.e. by you and others. If you say "nothing to do with me", then what are you responsible for? You claim sub judice during the remedy hearing. So if a large company lost an injury case, and the damages stage has been reached, if the boss of the company goes to the lawyers and says "Get it over with, just pay the money", the lawyers will say "No can do. You cannot make that decision. You cannot say anything. It is sub judice. You have to leave it to the lawyers ". You and the other MHKs could have put an end to the remedy hearing, but you did not. If you and the other MHKs think you are running this country, you are also the ones responsible for Ranson's treatment. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Stu Peters said: You haven't a clue what he or any other MHK has done Neither do quite a few MHKs. Activity and achievement are very different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Stu Peters said: You haven't a clue what he or any other MHK has done since being elected, as most of the work isn't done in the public eye. If you think asking questions in Tynwald is the mark of a good politician you're falling for the theatre of the role. Did you never read his blogs in the last administration, ffs it gave times down to the second on everything he did. You may what to read a few, to see if your living up to Mr Callisters standards. Edited February 6, 2023 by Holte End 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Holte End said: Did you never read his blogs in the last administration, ffs it gave times down to the second on everything he did. You may what to read a few, to see if your living up to Mr Callisters standards. He played with the cat, had a shit and ate some cheese on toast. Perhaps the cat should have been Onchans MHK, you would get more sense from the cat. Edited February 6, 2023 by 2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: They usually aren't easily obtained from 'basic research' (which is a bit rich from someone who can't be bothered to look up a bus timetable) and official replies will always point out when they are in a rather smug manner. As for 'picking up [a] phone' the point about asking such questions is that they are public and anyone should have access to the information in the reply. That's why FoI responses are published as well. A phone call will only inform a few people at most - and with some people you're better getting it in writing anyway. Thanks Jason!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, Banker said: Thanks Jason!! I think Jason is Like Jerry Fletcher (Mel Gibson) in the film Conspiracy Theory. Sooner or later one of his questions is going to hit the nail on the head. @Stu Petersmisses the whole point of questions and that is why he fails as an MHK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Holte End said: I think Jason is Like Jerry Fletcher (Mel Gibson) in the film Conspiracy Theory. Sooner or later one of his questions is going to hit the nail on the head. @Stu Petersmisses the whole point of questions and that is why he fails as an MHK. I would think later 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Christian Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 10 hours ago, cissolt said: But Steve....that is all he has done since being removed from his dhss role. Fixed one window. One could argue that is all he has done since being elected again. Even Ashford has asked more questions in Tynwald, and that's a low bar Or… it’s all he’s posted on social media he’s done. How do you actually know what he’s been doing? Did you ask him or just assume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, Steve_Christian said: Or… it’s all he’s posted on social media he’s done. How do you actually know what he’s been doing? Did you ask him or just assume? This is like scrodinger cat, does anyone know if Rob is actually doing anything other than what he has posted on socia media. All I know is the cat is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 49 minutes ago, Holte End said: This is like scrodinger cat, does anyone know if Rob is actually doing anything other than what he has posted on socia media. All I know is the cat is dead. Oh we would know if he's been doing anything, hence the blog references. Rob doesn't do anything quietly, see his sacking as a prime example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: What’s happened with his sacking though? Wasn’t there some big investigation on that was going to report on its findings by now? Or have its findings been so personally embarrassing that they will now not be reported on? There is apparently an investigation, but obviously governmental investigations always take forever, something people on this forum seem to have forgotten. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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