Catrisk Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: A forced apology is no apology at all. So he can make it securely knowing that everyone can see it for what it is. He always has the option of doing a John Houghton and not apologizing. He told a civil servant that they should probably do some work too. It didn’t end well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 40 minutes ago, Hoops said: I was talking to a farmer while at work yesterday, they seem to be overseeing the destruction of our farming community. I'd have thought that the farming community would have been one of the last IoM groups to have any sort of detriment inflicted on them? 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 The obvious answer is to increase ALL taxes, income , VAT, road tax etc. and use this extra money to build Health and education etc. to what WE want it to be? Would that require 20% basic? but then let's pay and solve all of our problems!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kopek said: The obvious answer is to increase ALL taxes, income , VAT, road tax etc. and use this extra money to build Health and education etc. to what WE want it to be? Would that require 20% basic? but then let's pay and solve all of our problems!!! 25% for over £50k income. Edited March 1, 2023 by forestboy Second thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) I see Juan Turner has posted on Rob Callister site, wasn't this clown an MLC when Houghton got suspended. https://www.tynwald.org.im/spfile?file=/business/hansard/20002020/t160517.pdf Edited March 1, 2023 by Holte End 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Kopek said: The obvious answer is to increase ALL taxes, income , VAT, road tax etc. and use this extra money to build Health and education etc. to what WE want it to be? Would that require 20% basic? but then let's pay and solve all of our problems!!! If they just stopped pissing away £200m a year on stupid projects and bloated departments (from a spend of £900m)...the problem would soon sort itself. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 ....but if they decide requirements are for a liverpool, or any similar, project, addition to our infrastructure how do we know if they are right or wrong??? So, give them the money to achieve these goals and stop moaning about their use of our money??? If they achieve a project to a public requirement the are we going to complain? Should we give our \govt free reign over the spend of our taxes? That is the question? There will be those who agree with the spend and those who don't? How to separate those who want and those who are not too bothered???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, forestboy said: 25% for over £75k income. More like 40k A YEAER???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Kopek said: The obvious answer is to increase ALL taxes, income , VAT, road tax etc. and use this extra money to build Health and education etc. to what WE want it to be? Would that require 20% basic? but then let's pay and solve all of our problems!!! We are already being taxed until our pips squeak, the direct and indirect tax burden for the average man cannot have previously been so great, surely? But that revenue is being squandered, on burgeoning empires we don't need and never asked for and on the results of past and present incompetence. Fiscal competence on the Island is a thing of the past and there is no sign of it returning yet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Government had it too easy for too long, where money was rolling in, and they were "dealing with the problems of success". The problems started to arise when fiscal competence was required to adhere to a shrinking income, sadly they didn't recognise this, nor did their recruitment policy recruit people who were pre programmed to work within budgetary constraints . Our delusions of grandeur and posturing meant at all costs we had to continue the pretence of rolling in it, when the reverse was fast becoming the case. The ship has to be turned around by an administration who can prioritise necessary from nice to haves. Money nor time should be wasted on debating the nice to haves, which are either placed in private hands or defunded. Trying to attract more people here may or may not work, however, having massive problems in public services across the board will not be outweighed by scenery and heritage when it comes to young peoples decisions to relocate. The current shower need striking with a reality stick before it is too far gone. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 9 hours ago, Non-Believer said: I'd have thought that the farming community would have been one of the last IoM groups to have any sort of detriment inflicted on them? 🤔 The productive ones with a smaller acreage, as opposed to the people who own large swathes of land, but mainly farm subsidies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 The comments on the Isle of Man newspaper website, are very much hammering Joney Faragher. If she was hoping to come out of this whole sorry affair with her reputation intact, I’m afraid she will be disappointed. Most people accept Rob Callister as a buffoon, and the others are regarded equally with contempt. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 This saga demonstrates, yet again, the fundamental issue about our politics. Politics is not easy. It requires people and an organisation that can balance a number of competing forces; policy commitments; personal integrity; the reality of public finances; public opinion; media interest; standards in public service; management of colleagues and staff; priorities and prioritisation - it’s a long list. Couple all that with the need to get re-elected periodically and it’s not difficult to see that those that will succeed in this environment are likely to require a degree of skill across a number of competencies. What Rob Callister demonstrates, more than anything else is the absence of skill and competence in the people we elect and the people we appoint. The puzzle for me is how these issues appear repeatedly and so few of us question why our political system produces the same results over and over. We cling to the “independent” nature of candidates as if this delivers the results we need and want, when it is clear it doesn’t. The relative economic success of the Island over the last 30+ years has little to do with politicians but this has allowed the issues to be masked. We need better people in Government; better policy and less waffle, bumbling and making stuff up as we go along. We are a small jurisdiction but our expectations don’t have to be so minimal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, 2112 said: The comments on the Isle of Man newspaper website, are very much hammering Joney Faragher. If she was hoping to come out of this whole sorry affair with her reputation intact, I’m afraid she will be disappointed. Most people accept Rob Callister as a buffoon, and the others are regarded equally with contempt. That's bizarre she seems to have been the least inflammatory person involved. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, Declan said: That's bizarre she seems to have been the least inflammatory person involved. There does not appear to be any evidence that she behaved at all inappropriately. There is, on the other hand some evidence that RC has, yet he still retains a level of support nothing about him appears to justify. That is truly bizarre. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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