John Wright Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 28 minutes ago, Holte End said: What are the names of the people Guy Faulks wanted to kill Only one name. Everyone else would have been collateral damage. James I ( VI of Scotland ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, John Wright said: Only one name. Everyone else would have been collateral damage. James I ( VI of Scotland ) I just wonder what the celebration of the event will be remember by, if Rob Callister manages to oust Cannan, Will it be called Cannan Fire Night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, Holte End said: I just wonder what the celebration of the event will be remember by, if Rob Callister manages to oust Cannan, Will it be called Cannan Fire Night. Cannan Fodder Night? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 15 minutes ago, Gladys said: Cannan Fodder Night? That’s what comes out every time he opens his mouth to change the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 You forget, it’s the unsuccessful plotter who is commemorated. He got hung, the drop broke his neck so they didn’t get drawn & quartered. We can but hope. Cue Ball Night, ritualistic burning of snooker cues and balls. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Well at least Rob has given people a good laugh now that people have got the measure of him I think his political career is very short lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyond Belief Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Unfortunately on the Isle of Man, the fear of reprisal and financial ruin for speaking out against institutions like the government, police, regulatory bodies, Manx Care and the judicial system is indeed concerning and a culture where people are to afraid to speak out which has had an effect on free speech and expression. This situation may evoke comparisons to authoritarian regimes where dissent is severely punished. In democratic societies, the right to free speech and the ability to voice dissenting opinions are fundamental principles. However, when individuals fear retaliation or financial consequences for exercising these rights, it can undermine the very foundations of democracy. It's essential for democratic societies to uphold the rule of law, protect human rights, and ensure accountability within institutions. This includes safeguarding the rights of individuals to speak out against abuses of power or injustices without fear of reprisal. Efforts to address these concerns may involve strengthening legal protections for whistleblowers, for which there is none on the Isle of Man, ensuring access to fair and impartial judicial processes, and fostering a culture of transparency and accountability within governmental and regulatory bodies. Additionally, civil society plays a crucial role in holding institutions accountable and advocating for reform. While the fear of reprisal and financial ruin may be daunting, it's important for individuals to stand up for their beliefs and rights, whether through peaceful protest, advocacy, or other forms of civic engagement. By working together to address these challenges, democratic societies can strive to uphold the principles of freedom, justice, and equality for all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, Beyond Belief said: While the fear of reprisal and financial ruin may be daunting, it's important for individuals to stand up for their beliefs and rights, whether through peaceful protest, advocacy, or other forms of civic engagement. You first… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyond Belief Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Just now, Jarndyce said: You first… You 100% correct, your the first to prove my point, and I have hidden behind a veil for fear of reprisal, however there are other means, for example media sources in the UK, people can only take so much before they bite back (not with violence). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 4 hours ago, Fred the shred said: The chuckle brothers from the south have now joined Rob in the great uprising…I think Alf is quite safe if this is the strength of it. Of course if he isn’t on Face Book he is probably unaware of this pointless excercise. How many voters are in Onchan ? How many read and commentated on Rob’s proposal? Remember what happened to Guy Faulks , he didn’t come out of it very well 🤣. "Rob" now asks for views on Face Book ? He previously stated that Face Book views were irrelevant and would not be considered in relation to his planned destruction of the TT Scoreboard . He really does want his penny and his bun! Just saying 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 44 minutes ago, Beyond Belief said: Unfortunately on the Isle of Man, the fear of reprisal and financial ruin for speaking out against institutions like the government, police, regulatory bodies, Manx Care and the judicial system is indeed concerning and a culture where people are to afraid to speak out which has had an effect on free speech and expression. This situation may evoke comparisons to authoritarian regimes where dissent is severely punished. In democratic societies, the right to free speech and the ability to voice dissenting opinions are fundamental principles. However, when individuals fear retaliation or financial consequences for exercising these rights, it can undermine the very foundations of democracy. It's essential for democratic societies to uphold the rule of law, protect human rights, and ensure accountability within institutions. This includes safeguarding the rights of individuals to speak out against abuses of power or injustices without fear of reprisal. Efforts to address these concerns may involve strengthening legal protections for whistleblowers, for which there is none on the Isle of Man, ensuring access to fair and impartial judicial processes, and fostering a culture of transparency and accountability within governmental and regulatory bodies. Additionally, civil society plays a crucial role in holding institutions accountable and advocating for reform. While the fear of reprisal and financial ruin may be daunting, it's important for individuals to stand up for their beliefs and rights, whether through peaceful protest, advocacy, or other forms of civic engagement. By working together to address these challenges, democratic societies can strive to uphold the principles of freedom, justice, and equality for all. Seriously? The police, manx care and pretty much any other government body are constantly getting hammered on social media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) Does anyone really think that Alf and his Government have so much support from the populace that the Onchan voters will throw Rob Collister out for his stance??? Strengthen his position more likely? I'm sure the majority vote here on MF would be to get rid of ALF and yet, when someone tries to start the process, we turn on him!!! Edited February 25 by Kopek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestedman Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 To be fair, the majority on Manx forums have been trying to get rid of every Chief Minister since inception (of Manx forums - not chief ministers) 😀 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 11 hours ago, Banker said: Jason asking for views as well https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/more-mhks-seek-feedback-on-the-future-of-the-chief-minister/ This isn't one man that is failing, it's an entire system. We have bloated, inefficient, ineffective and uneconomic government civil and public services...the managers of which, with this tax rise, have now effectively set themselves against the public to maintain the status quo. Anyone who believes that this £20M extra taxation is ringfenced for health, when in reality 4 years of the equivalent tax increase has already gone on waste just on an over-budget ferry terminal and promenade, is delusional. Without well-thought-out solutions, including a major actionable programme of government reform in terms of the size and scope of government - then all we are in for is more of the same that we have had for the last 25 years... ...just a bunch of clowns arguing about which clown is going to drive the clown car over the cliff. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Alf responds to the polls https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/cannan-mhks-calling-for-my-dismissal-should-bring-concerns-to-tynwald/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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