La Colombe Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 ... is on the side of Adolph Hitler. For lobbying for a second referendum. Hmm. That's just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 She is an anti-democratic harridan who does not accept the result of the referendum, but it should stop at political condemnation rather than physical confrontation and bullying in the street. That is never acceptable in a civilised society. Although perhaps we stopped being that long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 The zealots of the Tory party would be very upset with your gendered insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 9 hours ago, woolley said: ...not accept the result of the referendum Because no-one has ever lost confidence in something they originally voted for, apparently knowing the facts of the situation in hand? *cough* Tories *cough* No confidence *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 was she sober........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Dearden Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 14 hours ago, woolley said: She is an anti-democratic harridan who does not accept the result of the referendum, but it should stop at political condemnation rather than physical confrontation and bullying in the street. That is never acceptable in a civilised society. Although perhaps we stopped being that long ago. I partly agree. The Brexit debate has become too toxic. We have to respect each others rights to disagree - some want to leave the EU and some don't - those are both reasonable positions. Any debate should be about the issues rather than the tribal name-calling a very serious debate has descended into. BUT...why is she anti-democratic. I can't see what is anti-democratic about campaigning for a different direction. If we could not change our minds we would still have Robert Walpole as Prime Minister along with slavery and sending children up chimneys. At the moment we have a Government following the referendum result and we are set to Leave, this makes me sad but I accept it is the result of a (far from perfect) democratic process. I want this direction to change but I accept this can only happen as a result of a new vote - either a referendum or an election. Why is it undemocratic to promote such a notion? "Harridan" is a tribal insult and has no place in a mature debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Phillip Dearden said: I partly agree. The Brexit debate has become too toxic. We have to respect each others rights to disagree - some want to leave the EU and some don't - those are both reasonable positions. Any debate should be about the issues rather than the tribal name-calling a very serious debate has descended into. BUT...why is she anti-democratic. I can't see what is anti-democratic about campaigning for a different direction. If we could not change our minds we would still have Robert Walpole as Prime Minister along with slavery and sending children up chimneys. At the moment we have a Government following the referendum result and we are set to Leave, this makes me sad but I accept it is the result of a (far from perfect) democratic process. I want this direction to change but I accept this can only happen as a result of a new vote - either a referendum or an election. Why is it undemocratic to promote such a notion? "Harridan" is a tribal insult and has no place in a mature debate. so you want a vote on everything everytime you lose? some lost in the first referendum and had to wait 40+ years for another vote....... it would only be fair and democratic to wait another 40+ years....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Voting is democracy. How can it not be? Simply put, a further vote is therefore increasing democracy. Why are you so worried about another vote? There can only be one reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: Voting is democracy. How can it not be? Simply put, a further vote is therefore increasing democracy. Why are you so worried about another vote? There can only be one reason. already had 3 in the last 3 years...... how many more do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 10 hours ago, RIchard Britten said: Because no-one has ever lost confidence in something they originally voted for, apparently knowing the facts of the situation in hand? *cough* Tories *cough* No confidence *cough* "Facts"? That would be as presented by Project Fear since June 2016 now in overdrive, and a supine negotiation conducted by europhiles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Quote already had 3 in the last 3 years.... 3? anyway did having any of those reduce democracy then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Phillip Dearden said: I partly agree. The Brexit debate has become too toxic. We have to respect each others rights to disagree - some want to leave the EU and some don't - those are both reasonable positions. Any debate should be about the issues rather than the tribal name-calling a very serious debate has descended into. BUT...why is she anti-democratic. I can't see what is anti-democratic about campaigning for a different direction. If we could not change our minds we would still have Robert Walpole as Prime Minister along with slavery and sending children up chimneys. At the moment we have a Government following the referendum result and we are set to Leave, this makes me sad but I accept it is the result of a (far from perfect) democratic process. I want this direction to change but I accept this can only happen as a result of a new vote - either a referendum or an election. Why is it undemocratic to promote such a notion? "Harridan" is a tribal insult and has no place in a mature debate. The Brexit debate has become too toxic. - Agree. We have to respect each others rights to disagree - some want to leave the EU and some don't - those are both reasonable positions. Any debate should be about the issues rather than the tribal name-calling a very serious debate has descended into. - Agree. But seeing as it's just over half for and just under half against on such a divisive issue, I don't know how it's going to happen. BUT...why is she anti-democratic. etc, why not new vote? etc. - Because Parliament voted overwhelmingly to give the decision to the electorate saying the the result would be enacted. If you don't honour that, trust in Parliament will be totally destroyed. "Harridan" is a tribal insult and has no place in a mature debate.- Disagree. Harridan is a perfectly valid English noun of long standing which describes Ms Soubry to a tee. The term "tribal insult" is less precise and of dubious worth in this context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 There's an amateur civil war a coming if they don't sort this shit soon. I'm convinced there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Quote BUT...why is she anti-democratic. etc, why not new vote? etc. - Because Parliament voted overwhelmingly to give the decision to the electorate saying the the result would be enacted. If you don't honour that, trust in Parliament will be totally destroyed. Utterly simplistic. So no matter what, we have to deliver brexit? Trust in parliament will be gone if they proceed no matter what now we know what we know now that we didn't when voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, woolley said: "Facts"? Facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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