Donald Trumps Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Not yachts Sailing at night is quite difficult, especially with the amount of shipping in the Irish Sea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Why? As Albert says, there is the revenue from vessels in transit (and most want to 'overnight' at least) - that is income for not just the marina, but also local shops, pubs restaurants etc. In addition, there are many islanders who would base a boat here were decent facilities to exist - but they simply do not exist at the modern standards taken for granted elsewhere. Our berth on the West Coast of Scotland costs just under £10k per annum - that's £60k of income since we moved here that could have gone to the Island but does not simply because of inadequate facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Well I've sailed on a yacht at night in the Irish sea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 It was great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Not yachts Sailing at night is quite difficult, especially with the amount of shipping in the Irish Sea We regularly sail at night as it happens. As Teapot says, it can be beautiful - fog and gales are a different kettle but you have to take the rough with the smooth (literally!). Edited February 2, 2019 by Manximus Aururaneus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Very brave Having a massive nightime Ireland to Scotland fast craft bearing down on you at high speed is one of those life enhancing experiences that a person should not miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Very brave Having a massive nightime Ireland to Scotland fast craft bearing down on you at high speed is one of those life enhancing experiences that a person should not miss It's difficult to cross Biscay or the Atlantic in daylight hours only! Edited February 2, 2019 by Manximus Aururaneus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Oh yes, but less chance of being run down I do know people who sail around the coast of Spain & France rather than do the crossing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Oh yes, but less chance of being run down I do know people who sail around the coast of Spain & France rather than do the crossing! True to a degree, 40 years ago we did not spot a single other vessel on a transatlantic run (arrival/departure excepted) - Have a look on MarineTraffic at the ships crossing the pond today https://www.marinetraffic.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I don’t believe the issue is about sailing overnight. Many boats are family operated and they want to be able to moor and go ashore on arrival at a port. To arrive at Peel or Douglas half an hour after the flapgate has been raised is not acceptable to many skippers when planning a trip, so they go elsewhere. A marina with 24 hour access is therefore essential for the island. In addition, for boat owners on the island, the flapgate restrictions can regularly be a real inconvenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cypman said: I don’t believe the issue is about sailing overnight. Many boats are family operated and they want to be able to moor and go ashore on arrival at a port. To arrive at Peel or Douglas half an hour after the flapgate has been raised is not acceptable to many skippers when planning a trip, so they go elsewhere. A marina with 24 hour access is therefore essential for the island. In addition, for boat owners on the island, the flapgate restrictions can regularly be a real inconvenience. Agreed 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Well I've sailed on a yacht at night in the Irish sea. Done it when it was light/dark and foggy/misty. Day time was the worst crossing the shipping lane coming up from south wales and 3 of us looking out for other vessels. Poop your poop deck when one of those big NI ferries appears right in front of you out of the gloom. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I heard it being claimed that income from this proposal would be in the region of £1m per year. The construction costs must be mega millions, so surely the payback will take too many years for it to be viable. Another problem seems to be that it will leave a seaside town without a seaside? Where will locals and visitors have to go to find a beach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 43 minutes ago, monasqueen said: I heard it being claimed that income from this proposal would be in the region of £1m per year. The construction costs must be mega millions, so surely the payback will take too many years for it to be viable. Another problem seems to be that it will leave a seaside town without a seaside? Where will locals and visitors have to go to find a beach? Ramsey beach perhaps? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Well with Wilf and the nature lot against them they would be better off from going elsewhere where there investment may be welcomed. What a shame and possibly a great missed opportunity for Ramsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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