Happier diner Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Ramseyboi said: It literally says in the post why it ground to a halt. He would be mad to set a deadline when work is dependant on a specialist off island and then getting the rails back here. This could be the first ever construction project that has a programme with no planned end date 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 it will be impossible to give an exact date for the completion of the promenade works , there is a defects period yet ,and in my opinion much of the work allegedly completed is substandard and should be required to be done again there is also damage to private properties that needs to be addressed , I don't know who came up with a design for the points on the horse tram rails ,but that, and the installation of the track looks like its also going to cause a significant delay , Add the possibility of contractual disputes ,and areas that might very well go to arbitration , we will be lucky if we see the prom taking shape before the springtime , in fairness to Crookall he has taken on a job most people would run a mile from ,and with the added possibility of a public enquiry into the cost and delivery of the whole promenade scheme , please give the Lad a chance ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Omobono said: it will be impossible to give an exact date for the completion of the promenade works , there is a defects period yet ,and in my opinion much of the work allegedly completed is substandard and should be required to be done again there is also damage to private properties that needs to be addressed , I don't know who came up with a design for the points on the horse tram rails ,but that, and the installation of the track looks like its also going to cause a significant delay , Add the possibility of contractual disputes ,and areas that might very well go to arbitration , we will be lucky if we see the prom taking shape before the springtime , in fairness to Crookall he has taken on a job most people would run a mile from ,and with the added possibility of a public enquiry into the cost and delivery of the whole promenade scheme , please give the Lad a chance ! I don't think anyone would expect an 'exact date'. But at least a target date would give some assurance that they might know what they are doing. No date gives the clear assurance that they don't know what they are doing! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 You wouldn't trust the DoI to build sandcastles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) Since the start of the contract , or somewhere along the way they must of known they needed points for the rail corridor. How or why has it only reared its head now . Sorry but someone on project planning or engineering needs to be heading down the road. This is really beyond a joke now. All through the contract there doesn't seem to have been any joined up thinking about requirements and it says it all about DOI and irs set up. Be lucky to have it finished for end of March with weather , snagging and this latest cock up. And then it will start again at the end of the year with finishing the rail corridor. Mind blowing incompetence. Edited October 26, 2021 by Numbnuts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Since the start of the contract , or somewhere along the way they must of known they needed points for the rail corridor. How or why has it only reared its head now . Sorry but someone on project planning or engineering needs to be heading down the road. This is really beyond a joke now. All through the contract there doesn't seem to have been any joined up thinking about requirements and it says it all about DOI and irs set up. Be lucky to have it finished for end of March with weather , snagging and this latest cock up. And then it will start again at the end of the year with finishing the rail corridor. Mind blowing incompetence. If you read the Strategic Board Minutes, you'll see that the issue with the points has been a regular topic 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 32 minutes ago, kevster said: If you read the Strategic Board Minutes, you'll see that the issue with the points has been a regular topic Yes your right , and have been reading them , but to not have it sorted before now and also having to send points away at this late stage is just incompetence in my view. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Yes your right , and have been reading them , but to not have it sorted before now and also having to send points away at this late stage is just incompetence in my view. The need to send them back was down to the railways inspector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 11:07 AM, Numbnuts said: If I was DOI management I woukd be frantically looking at the prom crossings and markings over this weekend and getting them sorted before it really hits the fan. Many warned them about St Johns crossing but the neanderthals wouldnt listen till too late . I sincerely hope that it's not just the relatives of the deceased that take legal action... the driver should consider taking action as well. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub3 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: The end result being we have to ask what we’ve actually paid £25M + for? Once the walkway is done as a separate project and then the next section of the tramway it’s probably going to be somewhere near £45M. It’s hard to believe that some people aren’t literally making mega bucks out of incompetence on this scale. Meanwhile in Liverpool someone is rubbing their hands and saying thank goodness the Douglas prom works are late again and the good folk of the IOM have forgot about us scallies! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub3 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Omobono said: it will be impossible to give an exact date for the completion of the promenade works , there is a defects period yet ,and in my opinion much of the work allegedly completed is substandard and should be required to be done again there is also damage to private properties that needs to be addressed , I don't know who came up with a design for the points on the horse tram rails ,but that, and the installation of the track looks like its also going to cause a significant delay , Add the possibility of contractual disputes ,and areas that might very well go to arbitration , we will be lucky if we see the prom taking shape before the springtime , in fairness to Crookall he has taken on a job most people would run a mile from ,and with the added possibility of a public enquiry into the cost and delivery of the whole promenade scheme , please give the Lad a chance ! Crookall knew exactly what he was letting himself in for, he was there before, so none of this will come as a shock to him, he and NB/JR are as close as the hairs on a horses ass, not sure about the other fella IL but we can rest assured this is not over and we will be paying a lot more to get it in fit for purpose. I will say it again the CS will walk all over TC I would love to be proved wrong although I am doubtful. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said: Crookall knew exactly what he was letting himself in for, he was there before, so none of this will come as a shock to him, he and NB/JR are as close as the hairs on a horses ass, not sure about the other fella IL but we can rest assured this is not over and we will be paying a lot more to get it in fit for purpose. I will say it again the CS will walk all over TC I would love to be proved wrong although I am doubtful. A whole generation of children are growing up with the assumption that the DoI Minister's full time job is to apologise for the Doi! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, Max Power said: A whole generation of children are growing up with the assumption that the DoI Minister's full time job is to apologise for the Doi! More likely, very few will understand what to promenade actually means; they think it means to fuck up royally. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver2020 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Already had to redo one of the road crossings in Kirk Michael because the DoI gave them the wrong levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Peter Layman said: You wouldn't trust the DoI to build sandcastles what they do tends to have a similar life expectancy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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