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1 hour ago, Ramseyboi said:

It literally says in the post why it ground to a halt.

He would be mad to set a deadline when work is dependant on a specialist off island and then getting the rails back here.

 

This could be the first ever construction project that has a programme with no planned end date

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it will be impossible to give an exact date for the completion of the promenade works , there is a defects period yet ,and in my opinion much of the work allegedly completed is substandard and should be required to be done again  there is also damage to private properties that needs to be addressed , 

I don't know who came up with a design for the points on the horse tram rails ,but that, and the installation of the track looks like its also going to cause a significant delay , 

Add the possibility of contractual disputes ,and areas that might very well go to arbitration , we will be lucky if we see the prom taking shape before the springtime ,

in fairness to Crookall he has taken on a job most people would run a mile from ,and with the added possibility of a public enquiry into the cost and delivery of the whole promenade scheme , please give the Lad a chance !

 

 

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1 minute ago, Omobono said:

it will be impossible to give an exact date for the completion of the promenade works , there is a defects period yet ,and in my opinion much of the work allegedly completed is substandard and should be required to be done again  there is also damage to private properties that needs to be addressed , 

I don't know who came up with a design for the points on the horse tram rails ,but that, and the installation of the track looks like its also going to cause a significant delay , 

Add the possibility of contractual disputes ,and areas that might very well go to arbitration , we will be lucky if we see the prom taking shape before the springtime ,

in fairness to Crookall he has taken on a job most people would run a mile from ,and with the added possibility of a public enquiry into the cost and delivery of the whole promenade scheme , please give the Lad a chance !

 

 

I don't think anyone would expect an 'exact date'.

But at least a target date would give some assurance that they might know what they are doing.

No date gives the clear assurance that they don't know what they are doing!

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Since the start of the contract , or somewhere along the way they must of known they needed points for the rail corridor. How or why has it only reared its head now . Sorry but someone on project planning or engineering needs to be heading down the road. This is really beyond a joke now. All through the contract there doesn't seem to have been any joined up thinking about requirements and it says it all about DOI and irs set up. Be lucky to have it finished for end of March with weather , snagging and this latest cock up. And then it will start again at the end of the year with finishing the rail corridor. Mind blowing incompetence.   

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11 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Since the start of the contract , or somewhere along the way they must of known they needed points for the rail corridor. How or why has it only reared its head now . Sorry but someone on project planning or engineering needs to be heading down the road. This is really beyond a joke now. All through the contract there doesn't seem to have been any joined up thinking about requirements and it says it all about DOI and irs set up. Be lucky to have it finished for end of March with weather , snagging and this latest cock up. And then it will start again at the end of the year with finishing the rail corridor. Mind blowing incompetence.   

If you read the Strategic Board Minutes, you'll see that the issue with the points has been a regular topic

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32 minutes ago, kevster said:

If you read the Strategic Board Minutes, you'll see that the issue with the points has been a regular topic

Yes your right , and have been reading them , but to not have it sorted before now and also having to send points away at this late stage is just incompetence in my view.   

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13 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Yes your right , and have been reading them , but to not have it sorted before now and also having to send points away at this late stage is just incompetence in my view.   

The need to send them back was down to the railways inspector

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On 10/23/2021 at 11:07 AM, Numbnuts said:

If I was DOI management I woukd be frantically looking at the prom crossings and markings over this weekend and getting them sorted before it really hits the fan. Many warned them about St Johns crossing but the neanderthals wouldnt listen till too late .    

I sincerely hope that it's not just the relatives of the deceased that take legal action... the driver should consider taking action as well.

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3 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

The end result being we have to ask what we’ve actually paid £25M + for? Once the walkway is done as a separate project and then the next section of the tramway it’s probably going to be somewhere near £45M. It’s hard to believe that some people aren’t literally making mega bucks out of incompetence on this scale. 

Meanwhile in Liverpool someone is rubbing their hands and saying thank goodness the Douglas prom works are late again and the good folk of the IOM have forgot about us scallies!

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3 hours ago, Omobono said:

it will be impossible to give an exact date for the completion of the promenade works , there is a defects period yet ,and in my opinion much of the work allegedly completed is substandard and should be required to be done again  there is also damage to private properties that needs to be addressed , 

I don't know who came up with a design for the points on the horse tram rails ,but that, and the installation of the track looks like its also going to cause a significant delay , 

Add the possibility of contractual disputes ,and areas that might very well go to arbitration , we will be lucky if we see the prom taking shape before the springtime ,

in fairness to Crookall he has taken on a job most people would run a mile from ,and with the added possibility of a public enquiry into the cost and delivery of the whole promenade scheme , please give the Lad a chance !

 

 

Crookall knew exactly what he was letting himself in for, he was there before, so none of this will come as a shock to him, he and NB/JR are as close as the hairs on a horses ass, not sure about the other fella IL but we can rest assured this is not over and we will be paying a lot more to get it in fit for purpose. I will say it again the CS will walk all over TC I would love to be proved wrong although I am doubtful.

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6 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said:

Crookall knew exactly what he was letting himself in for, he was there before, so none of this will come as a shock to him, he and NB/JR are as close as the hairs on a horses ass, not sure about the other fella IL but we can rest assured this is not over and we will be paying a lot more to get it in fit for purpose. I will say it again the CS will walk all over TC I would love to be proved wrong although I am doubtful.

A whole generation of children are growing up with the assumption that the DoI Minister's full time job is to apologise for the Doi!

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15 minutes ago, Max Power said:

A whole generation of children are growing up with the assumption that the DoI Minister's full time job is to apologise for the Doi!

More likely, very few will understand what to promenade actually means; they think it means to fuck up royally. 

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