0bserver Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Kopek said: Crookall doesn't like the scheme but it's not scrapped, yet! Maybe the 400k is the latest estimate increase? Someone at the DoI doesn't seem to understand the concept of 'Active Travel'? It is to use your legs , walking, running or cycling to get from A to B. That entails going up and down hills not having an otherwise useless bridge built over a valley? The definition of Active Travel has been butchered by Civil Servants. It's only supposed to be within 2 miles of town centres. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Bandits said: It’s probably more to do with the cycling lobby harping on about active travel and he’s been boxed into a corner. Tynwalds chief cycling wet-lettuce Rob Mercer seems to very vocal on these sort of empty things that cost money if it means one more person might use their bike for half an hour. Rob Mercer, who has never stood for election, never faced a popular vote, never issued a manifesto, or explained what he stands for. Yet we pay him £60k per year to simply pursue his own personal hobby-horses. The man epitomises all that is wrong with our system of government. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, Nellie said: Rob Mercer, who has never stood for election, never faced a popular vote, never issued a manifesto, or explained what he stands for. Mercer was big mates with Ray Harmer and Bill Shimmins. The active cycling lobby who managed to get him a free ride into Legco. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 45 minutes ago, Nellie said: Rob Mercer, who has never stood for election, never faced a popular vote, never issued a manifesto, or explained what he stands for. Yet we pay him £60k per year to simply pursue his own personal hobby-horses. The man epitomises all that is wrong with our system of government. A great example. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 16 hours ago, Banker said: That’s what I thought so how can it be £400k over budget? It's for a job lot of crayons..... from Blackpool Council. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 14 hours ago, 0bserver said: The definition of Active Travel has been butchered by Civil Servants. It's only supposed to be within 2 miles of town centres. But that's where the going nowhere cycle lanes are situated....Two miles away 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Bandits said: Mercer was big mates with Ray Harmer and Bill Shimmins. The active cycling lobby who managed to get him a free ride into Legco. Harmer actually voted against him. It's comic the way in which apparently fully-grown adults seem to believe that more and more random groups of people are really conspiracies, usually by whichever group the Mail/Telegraph/Times has decided should be the subject of today's Two Minutes Hate. But just because the London media works tirelessly to convince its consumers that when things go wrong it's the fault of anyone except those in charge, people here shouldn't fall for the same nonsense. For the umpteenth time, all these projects have nothing to do with some mysterious cabal plotting to spend the public's money for their own benefit: not cyclists or Greens or TT fanatics or TT haters or trainspotters or tramlovers or fans of public sculpture. These projects are for the benefit of a very unmysterious group of people - senior civil servants who dream up these schemes to justify their inflated positions and increase their Department's budgets and their own salaries and their own egos and to employ more chums and give juicy contracts to their mates. If they happen to borrow the latest corporate jargon to try to excuse the latest scam, that has little to do with the real reasons and if you examine the window-dressing they give to these projects, they often have little to do with them. For example the Active Travel site says one of its aims is to provide "the best opportunities and evidence supporting the business case for more investment in walking and cycling". But we haven't seen any business cases for any of these Manx schemes - just a vague assertion that it will automatically be a good thing. Similarly all the guff about shared space on the Prom could be disproved by five minutes on Wiki. By attacking the idea of things like active travel rather than pointing out how they don't justify what is proposed, people are allowing the DoI mafia to avoid the criticism they deserve. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: Harmer actually voted against him. It's comic the way in which apparently fully-grown adults seem to believe that more and more random groups of people are really conspiracies, usually by whichever group the Mail/Telegraph/Times has decided should be the subject of today's Two Minutes Hate. But just because the London media works tirelessly to convince its consumers that when things go wrong it's the fault of anyone except those in charge, people here shouldn't fall for the same nonsense. For the umpteenth time, all these projects have nothing to do with some mysterious cabal plotting to spend the public's money for their own benefit: not cyclists or Greens or TT fanatics or TT haters or trainspotters or tramlovers or fans of public sculpture. These projects are for the benefit of a very unmysterious group of people - senior civil servants who dream up these schemes to justify their inflated positions and increase their Department's budgets and their own salaries and their own egos and to employ more chums and give juicy contracts to their mates. If they happen to borrow the latest corporate jargon to try to excuse the latest scam, that has little to do with the real reasons and if you examine the window-dressing they give to these projects, they often have little to do with them. For example the Active Travel site says one of its aims is to provide "the best opportunities and evidence supporting the business case for more investment in walking and cycling". But we haven't seen any business cases for any of these Manx schemes - just a vague assertion that it will automatically be a good thing. Similarly all the guff about shared space on the Prom could be disproved by five minutes on Wiki. By attacking the idea of things like active travel rather than pointing out how they don't justify what is proposed, people are allowing the DoI mafia to avoid the criticism they deserve. Thanks for your thoughts on this subject, Rob. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 On 4/30/2022 at 2:19 PM, Non-Believer said: Have they actually reinstated any bridges yet? They'll surely be the expensive bit? Will the bridges be lightweight structures to take the weight of a couple of bicycles, or will they be heavyweight structures to take the weight of electric trams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Harmer actually voted against him It's comic the way in which apparently fully-grown adults seem to believe that more and more random groups of people are really conspiracies, usually by whichever group the Mail/Telegraph/Times has decided should be the subject of today's Two Minutes Hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Ship Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Isn't there a big difference between supporting a candidate's nomination and actually voting for them? (Mind you, Jeremy Corbyn demonstrates what can unintentionally go wrong there... ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 We need to scrap the trams and if we have to have something then just get this that they have in Guernsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, 0bserver said: We need to scrap the trams and if we have to have something then just get this that they have in Guernsey yep, they have these things in quite a few seaside towns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Which makes our horse trams unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 2 hours ago, 0bserver said: We need to scrap the trams and if we have to have something then just get this that they have in Guernsey We could invest in another Cabbage. That would be right up Longworth's street. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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