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25 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

 

Posted on Manx Electric Railway Society's Facebook page 

Testing of Horse Tramway Begins

“One of the Douglas prom horse trams became derailed under ‘controlled conditions’ while undergoing testing.

This was being done to ensure the rail is installed correctly on a curved section of the track, and was being observed by the railway inspector who is currently on-island.

The Department of Infrastructure said the picture was taken ‘shortly after one wheel became derailed under controlled conditions as the gauge was too tight in this particular spot’. This will enable the contractor to adjust the gauge and correct the issue as part of the normal testing process,’ a spokesperson added.”

If the rails are set in concrete (with the later addition of a strip of flexible filler as a membrane)....how do they adjust the gauge? Or will they adjust the trams to suit the rails?

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9 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

If the rails are set in concrete (with the later addition of a strip of flexible filler as a membrane)....how do they adjust the gauge? Or will they adjust the trams to suit the rails?

They only concreted those rails in the last two weeks. I cant see how its possible to adjust the rails without breaking up the concrete and even then the rails are all bolted down so not sure how its even possible. Sure we will hear soon but my guess is they will have to change both rails and wheels on the Trams. 

Pretty sure theres no membrane on the rails still.

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10 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

 

Posted on Manx Electric Railway Society's Facebook page 

Testing of Horse Tramway Begins

“One of the Douglas prom horse trams became derailed under ‘controlled conditions’ while undergoing testing.

This was being done to ensure the rail is installed correctly on a curved section of the track, and was being observed by the railway inspector who is currently on-island.

The Department of Infrastructure said the picture was taken ‘shortly after one wheel became derailed under controlled conditions as the gauge was too tight in this particular spot’. This will enable the contractor to adjust the gauge and correct the issue as part of the normal testing process,’ a spokesperson added.”

 

 

Appears that have engaged Putins PR team 

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12 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

 

Posted on Manx Electric Railway Society's Facebook page 

Testing of Horse Tramway Begins

“One of the Douglas prom horse trams became derailed under ‘controlled conditions’ while undergoing testing.

This was being done to ensure the rail is installed correctly on a curved section of the track, and was being observed by the railway inspector who is currently on-island.

The Department of Infrastructure said the picture was taken ‘shortly after one wheel became derailed under controlled conditions as the gauge was too tight in this particular spot’. This will enable the contractor to adjust the gauge and correct the issue as part of the normal testing process,’ a spokesperson added.”

 

 

"... the gauge was too tight in this particular spot... "

So did they choose this curved section of track because they knew there was a spot on it where the gauge was too tight, or are there potentially innumerable spots along the newly laid track that are too tight that they don't know about?

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the real question is why wasn't the gauge tested BEFORE the concrete was laid ???   thick useless cunts................ i bet they didn't gauge widen to compensate for the sharpness of the curve.

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you would have thought  the contractors or even the DOI  would have had  a small  bogie  with wheels set to the 3 ft gauge ,that they could  move along by hand   and test  the gauge    as the work progressed , , there is a bogie in the tram shed ,with a spike that they used to use for clearing out the channel in the rail after the winters storm deposits ,  not rocket science all done before  on a regular basis   for almost  130 years , 

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49 minutes ago, Omobono said:

you would have thought  the contractors or even the DOI  would have had  a small  bogie  with wheels set to the 3 ft gauge ,that they could  move along by hand   and test  the gauge    as the work progressed , , there is a bogie in the tram shed ,with a spike that they used to use for clearing out the channel in the rail after the winters storm deposits ,  not rocket science all done before  on a regular basis   for almost  130 years , 

They've had one down there as clocked the rail guys using it. However it was only very short in length so I'm guessing it wouldn't show up the issue with the curve in the track over the length of a actual tram. The other worrying thing was the guys there were physically pushing the tram around the tight bend despite the horse being harnessed up. 

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21 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

They've had one down there as clocked the rail guys using it. However it was only very short in length so I'm guessing it wouldn't show up the issue with the curve in the track over the length of a actual tram.  

correct, the wheel spacing/axle centres needs to be the same or preferably slightly longer than what is actually going to be used.

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5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

I'm confused.... so are the rails not the same distance apart all the way along the curve?? 

Yes but as there fixed the wheels wont deal with what in affect is a sharp change in direction . The predominant action will to go straight driven by the wheel sets but the rails are curved. Hence the jamming and the derailing. 

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1 minute ago, 0bserver said:

Why are we bothering with this? It's essentially animal cruelty. 

Wow...did you not see the rail guys pushing the tram !!! They can be pushed easily by one man and in fact once running momentum keeps them moving. The horses are not struggling or exerting to carry out the task.  There bred as work horses and only do a couple of trips before being changed.  

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11 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

I'm confused.... so are the rails not the same distance apart all the way along the curve?? 

It is a complicated subject:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Inclined-loose-position-of-three-axle-bogie-in-curve-guiding-force-Y1-that-acts-on-the_fig1_276310275

The author even notes the problem of slippage between the flange and the rail.

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