The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I'm sure they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I do know that there were some inordinate private taxi contract costs involved with patient transfer (eg early morning airport runs and evening returns) and regular daily school transport for those needing and entitled to it. Early airport runs from say, Ramsey, £50+. School runs £10 a day, per kid. Done individually. Lob in a few of those and costs to the Govt soon mount up? Cheaper than spending £345k on depreciating assets and then staffing them, servicing them, maintaining them, putting fuel in them, and paying the wages and benefits of those employed to drive them? It’s hard to believe. Edited January 5, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I thought most of the people driving them were on simple hourly rates with no benefits. Almost like Bank Nursing? When you think about it - if they were doing just a small number of airport runs a day on average at say 60 quid each leg they could be in for 150k per annum. Ignoring anything else like pupils costs NB mentioned. You could further extrapolate that to flying. It probably be cheaper for the government to have it's own plane and do the trips to Liverpool rather than pay flybe 280 quid a pop. When you balance off the other aims of Bus Vannin (around connecting people and social wellbeing) it may well be that the numbers actually DO justify what they have done. In the wider environmental picture if they want people on public transport they need the infrastructure to cater and supply the options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: IWhen you balance off the other aims of Bus Vannin (around connecting people and social wellbeing) it may well be that the numbers actually DO justify what they have done. In the wider environmental picture if they want people on public transport they need the infrastructure to cater and supply the options. It doesn’t really have any other aims if you look at its official mandate. Even if it did how could you justify any objectives by guaranteed losing untold millions a year to run buses that there is clearly limited public demand for? Edited January 5, 2020 by thesultanofsheight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Public transport will always lose money here. High fixed costs to provide any kind of infrastructure. The only way it would work financially is if we adopted the London model. Force people onto public transport by making the costs excessive to drive into towns and park etc. If you made it £20 to park for the day you would see a significant shift into public transport in terms of Douglas workers for example. The reality is we have limited numbers with no real motivation to use the public transport network. Until that changes it will lose money. The answer isn't to cease to have it. And what we do have then needs to be modern, fit for purpose etc. On the face of it your numbers appear misleading because you dont seem to have factored in what was probably a hefty number being paid over to private taxi transfers of patients and kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Public transport will always lose money here. High fixed costs to provide any kind of infrastructure. The only way it would work financially is if we adopted the London model. Force people onto public transport by making the costs excessive to drive into towns and park etc. If you made it £20 to park for the day you would see a significant shift into public transport in terms of Douglas workers for example. The reality is we have limited numbers with no real motivation to use the public transport network. Until that changes it will lose money. The answer isn't to cease to have it. And what we do have then needs to be modern, fit for purpose etc. On the face of it your numbers appear misleading because you dont seem to have factored in what was probably a hefty number being paid over to private taxi transfers of patients and kids do you think the corpy will put the prices down to 20 quid a day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: I dont think they have 67 minibuses specifically bought and dedicated to the dial a ride numbers quoted? They don't have 67. According to this document, they have 32 all numbered 8xx in the Bus Vannin fleet https://www.ukbuses.co.uk/fleet/busvannin.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 hours ago, Max Power said: Come on now, you know how it works, either you spend your budget or it gets reduced the following year! Correct. Used to play golf with a government worker who disappeared every year around budget time on unlimited overtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, Nellie said: They don't have 67. According to this document, they have 32 all numbered 8xx in the Bus Vannin fleet https://www.ukbuses.co.uk/fleet/busvannin.pdf Hope you don’t believe that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, Nellie said: They don't have 67. According to this document, they have 32 all numbered 8xx in the Bus Vannin fleet https://www.ukbuses.co.uk/fleet/busvannin.pdf It may be that list only includes those vehicles that are used on regular numbered services or on the Connect services. Men Who Like Buses probably wouldn't be interested in minibuses that are only used for internal school trips or whatever. I actually though I could confirm this for you because, as the IOM Newspapers story states, it was based on an FoI request and I had looked at the results a few days ago. The response was actually very comprehensive with the main reply having a lot of info and four appendices with additional details and that included stuff on the number and cost of minibuses. But strangely the whole FoI response appears to have completely disappeared (I can't remember this ever happening before). Of course it's a particularly pointless thing to do because it was an IOMN request and they will continue to be able to use the information. But you wonder if it is related to the pressing of the reset button in the Transport Division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Nellie said: They don't have 67. According to this document, they have 32 all numbered 8xx in the Bus Vannin fleet https://www.ukbuses.co.uk/fleet/busvannin.pdf The FOI request confirms 67 so I must be an accurate number as IOMN published it from the FOI reply they got. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 11 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: But strangely the whole FoI response appears to have completely disappeared (I can't remember this ever happening before). Of course it's a particularly pointless thing to do because it was an IOMN request and they will continue to be able to use the information. But you wonder if it is related to the pressing of the reset button in the Transport Division. It's still there Rog - its called Demand Responsive Travel pilot results 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 hours ago, MrPB said: So how did the chaos of Finch Road go today? I only caught the tail end of the confusion and backlogs. Finch Road was fine, every other road though had massive delays. Most people seemed to be avoiding the prom as that was relatively quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Amazingly little being done this week judging by a walk along the prom this morning. Bar a handful of people on Loch Prom the place is like a ghost town. I think it is safe to assume that a week or so into 2020 they are already a week or so behind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Amazingly little being done this week judging by a walk along the prom this morning. Bar a handful of people on Loch Prom the place is like a ghost town. I think it is safe to assume that a week or so into 2020 they are already a week or so behind. I don’t get why they close the roads when clearly they don’t have any bloody workers to actually do any of the work they’re closing the roads for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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