TheTeapot Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Also, what do you mean 'is it an issue'? A very highly paid team of experts will have been contracted to fully design the specifications for a massive project. Everything stems from that. If it is wrong, then yeah, its an issue. Of course it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: It's not about the photo you clown. It's in the minutes. The gas main was too high. It will have to be all changed as water , electric and Gas are all wrong. And now its been pointed out publically they dare not put it right as if anything was to happen the courts would have a field day . And for the few who question knowlege on some of us I carried out groundwork including services for 15 years on and off . Edited October 4, 2020 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: It will have to be all changed as water , electric and Gas are all wrong. And now its been pointed out publically they dare not put it right as if anything was to happen the courts would have a field day . And for the few who question knowlege on some of us I carried out groundwork including services for 15 years on and off . You are basically a Unicorn. Must be a first for Manx Forums. Someone who actually DOES have some sort of clue as to what they're moaning about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 No. Numbnuts is living up to his name. Do you really think that every time a road is dug up the services have to be put back in a certain depth and order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Barlow said: No. Numbnuts is living up to his name. Do you really think that every time a road is dug up the services have to be put back in a certain depth and order? A repair no. A reconstruction yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Barlow said: No. Numbnuts is living up to his name. Do you really think that every time a road is dug up the services have to be put back in a certain depth and order? In my experience (on the electrical side), yes of course they do if it's been necessary to disturb them. The specifications are applied in the name of safety, with a view to the movement of the road surface under the weight of passing vehicles and any future excavation work that may be necessary too. MUA actually employ a guy who plots and maps repairs using GPS and photography. Edited October 4, 2020 by Non-Believer Extra bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Or certainly have greater knowledge than somebody who has never done it, for instance? Yeah but Manx gas are laying the gas mains on the prom. Maybe they haven't seen their own specification either. Only 2 things matter, the law and the contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Yeah but Manx gas are laying the gas mains on the prom. Maybe they haven't seen their own specification either. Only 2 things matter, the law and the contract The fact that the minutes themselves now state that the gas main is at an insufficient depth speaks volumes in respect of that then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Individual site situations mean you have to adjust accordingly . There are minumun depths as said before and building control will check and if not happy with how services are laid they wont pass them. Not sure what you getting at tbh as lots of us have made it clear its a minimum requirement at discretion of building control . The biggest factor being safety and ability to dig up safely in years to come . In the case of electric for instance cables should be covered with sand and have tape over the top so on excavation you get a warning when your near service . In part at least it's because the ground is more thermally stable beyond 500mm so deeper pipework has lower stresses due to temperature and in the case of water it assists in avoiding freezing at night time flows 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: The fact that the minutes themselves now state that the gas main is at an insufficient depth speaks volumes in respect of that then? If that's what they decided then it'll have to be buried deeper. In reality the depths are an ideal, in some circumstances agreement can be made to reduce the depths with mitigations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 59 minutes ago, Happier diner said: If that's what they decided then it'll have to be buried deeper. In reality the depths are an ideal, in some circumstances agreement can be made to reduce the depths with mitigations. Ohhh jesus , thats so not correct , there is a minimum depths for all services which only vary if say its pavement or road etc. And its not just depths its pipes and services lying on top of other services . Which is wrong too. But hey you crack on. Not sure what your agenda is but good luck with it . 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Barlow said: No. Numbnuts is living up to his name. Do you really think that every time a road is dug up the services have to be put back in a certain depth and order? No they dont but in this case these are new services so yes you would expect them to be put in to regs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Ohhh jesus , thats so not correct , there is a minimum depths for all services which only vary if say its pavement or road etc. And its not just depths its pipes and services lying on top of other services . Which is wrong too. But hey you crack on. Not sure what your agenda is but good luck with it . I don't have an agenda. Just being realistic. Specifications for minimum depths are a good thing and should be observed at all times when it is reasonably practicable do do so. There are occasions when it is not. An example would be where say there is a large sewer pipe (at 700mm down) and you are going across (perpendicular to) it with a gas main. It would be impracticable to go under the sewer as that could take you down over 1500mm (or more depending on the diameter of the sewer) and this would be prohibitively expensing (Batneek applies) but also it would be unmaintainable. In such a situation the project team may agree to less cover but with extra protection. Not a drop in standards and not a free for all. This black and white approach is ok, but not in the real world. Yes its a reconstruction but a reconstruction of an existing asset and there will be some subjective decisions to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 14 hours ago, Numbnuts said: No they dont but in this case these are new services so yes you would expect them to be put in to regs. Can you please provide a link to those regulations. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Are some of these posters working for the govt./ contractors/ planners? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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