Derek Flint Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 hours ago, joebean said: In the IOM Government, at and beyond the rank of CEO there is no accountability. At political level no one can be held to account as there is no opposition. I am not sure how anybody could still be unaware of this. It’s a lot lower rank than that, believe me! 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: The rails in this area were bolted direct to substantial concrete base . No packing between rails and concrete unlike in the revised spec later on around Queens Prom. I dont believe this reason there giving and feel its more to do with the easiest option to deal with cracking red concrete and the packing not installed . No way those rails are dipping etc when in direct contact with a flat substantial bed . I think ashies letter has been encased in the concrete Edited December 4, 2020 by Happier diner Typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 The bus stops I see are red tarmac, so you now have red concrete to delineate a danger tram tracks, red concrete to show safety pedestrian refuge and red tarmac to show danger bus stop. We will all need a two week training course soon to learn all this. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) What's really pathetic is Tim Baker trying to frame any valid criticism of the scheme as an attack on the manual site workers. He's deflecting the failures of the chin-less wonders in the Sea Terminal onto the hard working labourers. His latest diatribe to Paul Moulton is quite the masterclass of mealy mouthed replies. Very few people, except the DOI themselves, are criticising the workers on the ground. Edited December 4, 2020 by AlanShimmin 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said: What's really pathetic is Tim Baker trying to frame any valid criticism of the scheme as an attack on the manual site workers. He's deflecting the failures of the chin-less wonders in the Sea Terminal onto the hard working labourers. His latest diatribe to Paul Moulton is quite the masterclass of mealy mouthed replies. Very few people are criticising the workers on the ground. Your right , ones I've spoken all have laid the blame with the same people. DOI firstly and engineeers etc...so not the boots on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Say what you want about Baker but at least he's freed up Harmer to be the natural elder statesman we all knew he was https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/minister-calls-to-plan-properly-to-combat-climate-change/ 🙄 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said: Very few people are criticising the workers on the ground. That's not true. The DoI were very quick to blame the workers for the concrete cracking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: That's not true. The DoI were very quick to blame the workers for the concrete cracking. Good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: That's not true. The DoI were very quick to blame the workers for the concrete cracking. Did they , you sure ? DOI should have had someone on the ground , clerk of works or such , to oversee concrete slump and practices which they haven't. The concrete cracking would seem to be caused by not enough expansion joints and no buffer between concrete and rails etc. thats not Auldyn or workers fault but totally down to design and spec . Auldyn did though lay lots of it in probably the hottest days of the summer without keeping it wet or covering it ! DOI might just be deflecting to easy target rather than blame themselves Edited December 4, 2020 by Numbnuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Derek Flint said: It’s a lot lower rank than that, believe me! Maybe Derek, and maybe particularly so in the Constabulary. At least below CEO level there remains the disciplinary procedures within the CS Regulations. But, effectively, who would use these against anyone at CEO rank, or even hold them to account under any performance-related assessment? The Chief Secretary? He himself is unaccountable and there s no way he would open that can of worms. No, the unaccountability of those at the top level of Government and Politics here is key to understanding how it works and why we are where we are. As for Tim Baker, he is pathetic and every excuse and wriggle he makes to avoid holding himself and others to account for the failings that are obvious to see, just makes him appear more pathetic. He is talking himself into being a single-term politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 11 hours ago, joebean said: As for Tim Baker, he is pathetic and every excuse and wriggle he makes to avoid holding himself and others to account for the failings that are obvious to see, just makes him appear more pathetic. He is talking himself into being a single-term politician. Whilst Tim Baker is bending over backwards to make excuses for his new Dept's performance with the promenade, he is elected by them good people up north; he may be otherwise working miracles for his constituents who may accordingly see fit to vote him back in. If that's the case, even the promenade won't be his epitaph, and to be fair, he did inherit it anyway. His frustrations with aspects of it have been reported on, both by the press and in the available minutes but otherwise he seems to have little option other than to support his officers. Publicly criticising them is not the done thing apparently, no matter how monumental the failings. Given how Mr Black has tried to explain BV's bus purchasing and contractor tendering policy to the PAC and questioning by Juan Watterson in particular, as reported on iomtoday, TB might want to turn his gaze towards operations there occasionally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I'm celebrating this subject being outside the top 15 for the first time in months........DOH! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 46 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I'm celebrating this subject being outside the top 15 for the first time in months........DOH! Give it time !! Winding down for xmas , back with a vengeance in the New Year I'm sure when Broadway and Marina road closes again . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Please can we get this back off the first page by not replying or quoting me. Unless of course there is a monumental cockup on the prom..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Please can we get this back off the first page by not replying or quoting me. Unless of course there is a monumental cockup on the prom..... Yep. No probs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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