Pipsqueak Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Cypman said: Did our predecessors know something we don’t know ? yes, they knew how to do a proper job once rather than turn up and take the money again and again and again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub3 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, Roxanne said: 2016. Before 2016, there was a couple of guy's over from the UK think they worked for Hyder (favoured consultants) that were carrying out design work for the prom around 2014 and one chap was on it for 4 years and to be fair everytime he had drafted a plan it was threw back , a few more came over and soon realised they were wasting their time as the hierarchy changed their mind constantly, I suspect that is still happening with the 3 amigos NB/JR/IL. The full cost of the promenade will be well hidden and will be booked out to allsort's of project's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoTail said: Can anyone here remember when work started on the Prom? We were trying to remember last night but could not get the answer. Actually work , men in Hi Vis boots on the ground was around September 2018 . If you remember they started removing the flower garden etc outside the Sefton then proceded to pop up all long the area in various places , ' getting ready' for works to commence . I remember well Harmers statement that when up and running there would be 60/70 men at anyone time working on there on what will be a two year contract . Mmmmm that went well didnt it ! Supposedly finished by October 2020 but we all know thats not happening . We all can be accused of being cynical , certainly me , when it comes to DOI schemes but they dont let us down do they ! Of course planning , appeals and redrawn plans started long time before then as if you remember there was the petition driven by the late Murray Lamben against the trams going on the walkway . From memory plans and design cost in excess of 4 million . Edited February 24, 2021 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver2020 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 As I have said before the material they are using in the subase is sub standard and certainly wouldn't pass any compaction tests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 10 hours ago, Numbnuts said: By Quids inn ? apparently all around there has to be lifted as its wrong and subsidence taken place . Thats DOI I think though that did that so they will have to put it right . At our expense of course Yes, that's the location. As you say, it is DoI's own gangs. Using them was supposed to speed things up, and these Loch Prom side streets were going to be finished by November! Another Black/Baker/Robinson promise that went down the toilet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Just wondering. Is there 1 thing on the whole project which has been, started then completed and not been subsequently ripped up, dug up knocked about or otherwise gone wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 59 minutes ago, Driver2020 said: As I have said before the material they are using in the subase is sub standard and certainly wouldn't pass any compaction tests. Any ideas why they have gone for this rather than tried and trusted materials ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver2020 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Cheapness if they had to take the excavated material to a tip it would cost a fortune so all they do is crush it smaller and use it as subase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Cypman said: I do wonder if rolled crushed stone is going to be strong enough in this harsh environment. After all, it is replacing concrete in most areas. Did our predecessors know something we don’t know ? Judging by how long the roads lasted that they built - probably knew a lot more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Driver2020 said: Cheapness if they had to take the excavated material to a tip it would cost a fortune so all they do is crush it smaller and use it as subase. Figured , false ecomomy as there going to find out to our !! cost . The whole job has been a massive clusterfuck so now there running massively over budget there ckearly looking to save . But its so going to bite them on the bum. Edited February 24, 2021 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 50 minutes ago, NoTail said: Just wondering. Is there 1 thing on the whole project which has been, started then completed and not been subsequently ripped up, dug up knocked about or otherwise gone wrong? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: But its so going to bite them on the bum. Won't bite THEM on the bum. It will bite the taxpayers on the arse. Even if there's an inquiry and those responsible are found "lacking" what's the worst? "Lessons will be learned", early retirements and golden wheelbarrow-sized payoffs paid for by said taxpayers who will also cop for the cost of any remedial work rolling on into the future. Let alone any further inconvenience re. traffic or to Prom business owners. These people have zero accountability to the paying public, it's one of the perks of the job. Harmer and Baker the same. Their accountability begins and ends with their constituency voters, not what's happened on the Promenade. Even if voted out there'll be plenty of other lucrative doors opening for them. Edited February 24, 2021 by Non-Believer extra bit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Figured , false ecomomy as there going to find out to our !! cost . The whole job has been a massive clusterfuck so now there running massively over budget there ckearly looking to save . But its so going to bite them on the bum. It would seem our government have been penny wise and pound foolish for a considerable number of years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Peter Layman said: It would seem our government have been penny wise and pound foolish for a considerable number of years at least 40 by my count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, Peter Layman said: It would seem our government have been penny wise and pound foolish for a considerable number of years That'll be the government that we elect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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