Barlow Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: I never said it was tickety boo. It's a shambles. But to suggest the whole prom has been closed is a blatant lie. Erm, where have I suggested the whole prom has been closed? All I am saying/said is that it should have been carried out in sections/phases. I think anyone would say that from a primary schoolkid to an experienced project programmer. I am looking for a reason why it was chosen to do the whole promenade in one go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Barlow said: Why wasn't the Promenade carried out in sections? Even simply Loch . . Central. . . Harris. . . Queens. . . or whatever. It's so obvious and just about anyone would have done it that way. It's a question that has been asked a number of times but no answer has ever been suggested. Maybe it was an idea of the contractor, so they could nab all those guaranteed £millions from the very start? Because they wouldn't have needed to hire so much Heras fencing and cones! Edited June 20, 2021 by finlo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 If we can't get the kids pool open at the NSC, I hold out little hope of a swift and successful conclusion to the prom as a whole ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Barlow said: Why wasn't the Promenade carried out in sections? Even simply Loch . . Central. . . Harris. . . Queens. . . or whatever. It's so obvious and just about anyone would have done it that way. It's a question that has been asked a number of times but no answer has ever been suggested. Maybe it was an idea of the contractor, so they could nab all those guaranteed £millions from the very start? Doing it in one go makes for the most efficient use of resources. If it was done in sections, plant would be sitting idle whereas when doing it all in one go, it can be moved to where it can be used 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, kevster said: Doing it in one go makes for the most efficient use of resources. If it was done in sections, plant would be sitting idle whereas when doing it all in one go, it can be moved to where it can be used in theory the prom only needed digging up once , whether that was one continuous operation that took 6 months or done in sections over 2 years the plant only had so many hours of digging to to do, the job should have been done in sections which would have been less inconvenient for everyone, the businesses would have been disrupted in sections over a shorter period rather than for the entire duration and traffic wouldn't have been fucked up at almost every junction onto or off the prom at the same time. the logistics people on this ( not that it looks like there are any ) are useless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Pipsqueak said: in theory the prom only needed digging up once , whether that was one continuous operation that took 6 months or done in sections over 2 years the plant only had so many hours of digging to to do, the job should have been done in sections which would have been less inconvenient for everyone, the businesses would have been disrupted in sections over a shorter period rather than for the entire duration and traffic wouldn't have been fucked up at almost every junction onto or off the prom at the same time. the logistics people on this ( not that it looks like there are any ) are useless. It’s been done in sections anyway. It’s not all been dug up and closed. The way of working was determined by not wanting to close any section completely, to keep traffic moving. Fully closing the whole, or sections, would not have been good for Douglas traffic management or for people with businesses on the prom. The issues are more poor planning, design and supervision, so contractors were left in the dark, and Covid. Both have caused delay. Both have been bad for traffic management and businesses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, John Wright said: It’s been done in sections anyway. It’s not all been dug up and closed. The way of working was determined by not wanting to close any section completely, to keep traffic moving. Fully closing the whole, or sections, would not have been good for Douglas traffic management or for people with businesses on the prom. The issues are more poor planning, design and supervision, so contractors were left in the dark, and Covid. Both have caused delay. Both have been bad for traffic management and businesses. Can’t accept that sorry. The bit outside Utopia and Spar for example. Months/ year of disruption often with days at a time without any work taking place. Close one side of the road for a few weeks and control it with traffic lights) complete it with lots of guys on site 24 /7 then do the other. I would put money on it that if you worked out the actual man hours spent on that half mile section it could have been completed in a month with traffic lights controlling it - in the same way as Broadway to empress has been for months now Edited June 21, 2021 by trmpton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, John Wright said: It’s been done in sections anyway. It’s not all been dug up and closed. The way of working was determined by not wanting to close any section completely, to keep traffic moving. Fully closing the whole, or sections, would not have been good for Douglas traffic management or for people with businesses on the prom. The issues are more poor planning, design and supervision, so contractors were left in the dark, and Covid. Both have caused delay. Both have been bad for traffic management and businesses. sections doesn't necessarily mean the full width of prom, it could have been done carriageway at a time to meet between the 2 tram lines. with no parking on the prom traffic could have flowed in both directions all the time and it could have been one long rolling section or separate sections. Edited June 21, 2021 by Pipsqueak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) Place your bets!! I am going for a 4 million pound project to build a single lane tunnel with crap access Kirk Michael somewhere. https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/6-options-to-provide-access-across-the-tt-course-to-be-unveiled/?fbclid=IwAR0Q57TGqeyIbiyIQST8l1eRO1yr7A1whWAd9rnG7hF6ItS7CnAr2wA9Luo Edited June 21, 2021 by trmpton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) I wonder if it's within the DOI's legal remit to attempt to rewrite the standard regulation roadmarkings manual (which has doubtless been arrived at through long experience and perhaps more than a few fatalities) and then tell road users that it's up to them to get used to it (or find another route)? What's happening with the Celtic road marking on the Curragh Rd? Edited June 21, 2021 by Non-Believer extra bit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, trmpton said: Place your bets!! I am going for a 4 million pound project to build a single lane tunnel with crap access Kirk Michael somewhere. https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/6-options-to-provide-access-across-the-tt-course-to-be-unveiled/?fbclid=IwAR0Q57TGqeyIbiyIQST8l1eRO1yr7A1whWAd9rnG7hF6ItS7CnAr2wA9Luo Use your imagination Edited June 21, 2021 by TheTeapot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, trmpton said: Place your bets!! I am going for a 4 million pound project to build a single lane tunnel with crap access Kirk Michael somewhere. https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/6-options-to-provide-access-across-the-tt-course-to-be-unveiled/?fbclid=IwAR0Q57TGqeyIbiyIQST8l1eRO1yr7A1whWAd9rnG7hF6ItS7CnAr2wA9Luo Tunnels and overpasses for everyone Although the new thing includes more options? Gah... have to get photoshop out again... https://frankdrives.com/visualised-what-new-tt-access-road-options-might-look-like/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub3 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I wonder if it's within the DOI's legal remit to attempt to rewrite the standard regulation roadmarkings manual (which has doubtless been arrived at through long experience and perhaps more than a few fatalities) and then tell road users that it's up to them to get used to it (or find another route)? What's happening with the Celtic road marking on the Curragh Rd? Nothing that Celtic crossing will stay, if it was to removed it would be an admission that it should not have been installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 hours ago, John Wright said: It’s been done in sections anyway. It’s not all been dug up and closed. The way of working was determined by not wanting to close any section completely, to keep traffic moving. Fully closing the whole, or sections, would not have been good for Douglas traffic management or for people with businesses on the prom. The issues are more poor planning, design and supervision, so contractors were left in the dark, and Covid. Both have caused delay. Both have been bad for traffic management and businesses. Add to that how difficult it is to replace utilities in sections as they do not all suit being divided into the same sections if you want to keep all the properties and businesses serviced with power, water, gas, broadband, sewers, street lighting etc. This shouldn't be underestimated......nor overestimated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Amadeus said: Tunnels and overpasses for everyone Although the new thing includes more options? Gah... have to get photoshop out again... https://frankdrives.com/visualised-what-new-tt-access-road-options-might-look-like/ and it should branch off to burrow head, fuck the ferrys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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