swoopy2110 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, snowman said: JUST GET RID OF THE TRAMS !!!!! Totally agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Chris Robertshaw has been on Manx Radio this morning 'speaking up' for businesses on Douglas Promenade. Although I think he is actually just using it as an excuse to be a naughty boy and have a pop at his old mates in government. Minister Harmer had a quite different point of view on the Promenade. From his country retreat, maybe Robertshaw has been forced to realise that he is the MHK for somewhere in Douglas that unfortunately for him includes the Promenade. His neighbour Chief Minister Howard might have to stuff his mouth with (our) gold, persuade him to be a Minister again, and give him more ego boosting backslapping buffets to shut him up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 13 hours ago, gettafa said: If it had been single track (with a passing place at Villa or where ever) who would have complained? Double track is crazy and unnecessary. have to agree, double track totally unnecessary given volume of horse tram traffic. Should have been single track down the sea side of the promenade with 2 or maybe 3 passing places. Would have made road works much simpler and quicker, caused less disruption. A complete nonsense that the walk ways couldn't be shared with the horsetram. They have electrified trams through the centre of Manchester which with much, much higher volume of people and footfall and I can't recall hearing a story about someone whose been hit by one.. I'm sure the vast majority of people could hear/see the slower, noisier horse trams without too many problems. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, b4mbi said: have to agree, double track totally unnecessary given volume of horse tram traffic. Should have been single track down the sea side of the promenade with 2 or maybe 3 passing places. Would have made road works much simpler and quicker, caused less disruption. A complete nonsense that the walk ways couldn't be shared with the horsetram. They have electrified trams through the centre of Manchester which with much, much higher volume of people and footfall and I can't recall hearing a story about someone whose been hit by one.. I'm sure the vast majority of people could hear/see the slower, noisier horse trams without too many problems. It's also a complete nonsense that they are not doing anything about putting a small wall along the prom instead of the railings. First high tide of winter and the prom will be under water again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Neil Down said: It's also a complete nonsense that they are not doing anything about putting a small wall along the prom instead of the railings. First high tide of winter and the prom will be under water again. to be fair, I think they are putting a sea wall along from the war memorial to around the palace area as part of the works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, b4mbi said: to be fair, I think they are putting a sea wall along from the war memorial to around the palace area as part of the works Anything from the war memorial to sea terminal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Neil Down said: Anything from the war memorial to sea terminal? apparently not. from the FAQ on myprom.im Are the sea defences being improved? The Department intends to construct a new 500m long sea defence wall, running from the end of the Marina Gardens north, beyond the junction with Broadway and finishing opposite the Empress Hotel on Central Promenade. These works will cost circa £500,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, b4mbi said: apparently not. from the FAQ on myprom.im Are the sea defences being improved? The Department intends to construct a new 500m long sea defence wall, running from the end of the Marina Gardens north, beyond the junction with Broadway and finishing opposite the Empress Hotel on Central Promenade. These works will cost circa £500,000. Excellent forward planning by them then. Maybe a fresh coat of paint on the Loch prom railings will deter the incoming tides a la Canute There does however appear to be a bit of a to do on Faceache this afternoon with RC stating the original plans have been deviated from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The original plans were deviated from when the first spade or bucket was put into the ground. Deviated from in respect of budget and time. I reckon 4 years plus by the time it's finished at the current rate of progress, given that no "voids" have even had to be dealt with yet. I'm not even gonna hazard a guess at the total cost or the number of additional visits to Tynwald for budget increases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Non-Believer said: The original plans were deviated from when the first spade or bucket was put into the ground. Deviated from in respect of budget and time. I reckon 4 years plus by the time it's finished at the current rate of progress, given that no "voids" have even had to be dealt with yet. I'm not even gonna hazard a guess at the total cost or the number of additional visits to Tynwald for budget increases. Have to agree but Harmer stupidly committed that it would be finished by October 2020 and def on budget. Clearly he really doesnt have a clue and his waffling yesterday confirmed that. re voids ..From what I've seen they dont seem to be digging down as deep as I thought they would have too apart from where pipes are installed. Everyone knows theres voids so DOI should have factored it in. Was told it was a inflated budget for works and I could believe that .time will tell ..5 years ??!!! not even DOI can manage that can they lol Edited July 17, 2019 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Have to agree but Harmer stupidly committed that it would be finished by October 2020 and def on budget. Clearly he really doesnt have a clue and his waffling yesterday confirmed that. re voids ..From what I've seen they dont seem to be digging down as deep as I thought they would have too apart from where pipes are installed. Everyone knows theres voids so DOI should have factored it in. Was told it was a inflated budget for works and I could believe that .time will tell ..$ years ??!!! not even DOI can manage that can they lol when you say voids, didn't somebody with an engineering background comment on this. Tried to locate it but can't find it at the moment, something along the lines of they weren't voids but large solid blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, b4mbi said: apparently not. from the FAQ on myprom.im Are the sea defences being improved? The Department intends to construct a new 500m long sea defence wall, running from the end of the Marina Gardens north, beyond the junction with Broadway and finishing opposite the Empress Hotel on Central Promenade. These works will cost circa £500,000. Planning was refused. Edited July 18, 2019 by Ham_N_Eggs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Neil Down said: when you say voids, didn't somebody with an engineering background comment on this. Tried to locate it but can't find it at the moment, something along the lines of they weren't voids but large solid blocks. Well there is def a big void in the area in front off Sam Webbs. and I cant believe that where the cellars flood on high tides along by the Villiers site and Tower insurance etc that there isnt voids there also due to natural erosion over so many years . We will all find out hopefully in the next year or so lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Planning was refused. Broken link, but holy fuck. Clearly much better to have seaweed rocks and sand strewn all over the newly refurbished prom. It's a sea defence wall but the corpy objected because its not made of diamond (to limit the visual impact) and planners refused because? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 8 hours ago, b4mbi said: Broken link, but holy fuck. Clearly much better to have seaweed rocks and sand strewn all over the newly refurbished prom. It's a sea defence wall but the corpy objected because its not made of diamond (to limit the visual impact) and planners refused because? http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=44690 I think the issue was that the waves would still over top but they would then have no where to go because there's a big blocking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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