Numbnuts Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Itsmeee said: Apparently Mr. Black is retiring. He’s only 53 This was doing the rounds quite a few weeks ago and was rumoured he'd handed his notice in after the report on DOI. Where dod you get the latest news from ? Good source or ?? Edited July 7, 2021 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsmeee Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Where dod you get the latest news from ? Good source or ?? A friend told me. I trust her. Unfortunately I don’t have documentary evidence so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. The bit about his age is definitely true though. I had a conversation with him about it once and we are of the same vintage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Itsmeee said: Apparently Mr. Black is retiring. He’s only 53 This'll be his 2nd "retirement" then...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 You can't retire at 53 in civil service pension terms these days. Resigned more like. Hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oooohtony Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: You can't retire at 53 in civil service pension terms these days. Resigned more like. Hopefully Are we not counting fire and police as civil service? Get a promotion at 48. Retire at 50 on pension. Return at 52 on pension and consultancy rate to do the same job you did before. Double bubble. Winner winner, chicken dinner. 6 figure income other no actual skills or qualifications. Ding ding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 7 hours ago, oooohtony said: Are we not counting fire and police as civil service? Get a promotion at 48. Retire at 50 on pension. Return at 52 on pension and consultancy rate to do the same job you did before. Double bubble. Winner winner, chicken dinner. 6 figure income other no actual skills or qualifications. Ding ding The fire service and police are not civil servants I don't think. However they share the government pension scheme (with different conditions) They are forced to retire early "Re Return at 52 on pension and consultancy rate to do the same job you did before." This is not allowed and how could they anyway. Not much need for 'consultant' firemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) There are the "old" CS terms (Whitley Council) and the "new", far tighter terms introduced in 2015 under the creation of the Public Service Commission. As a pre 2015 employee, NB will fall under the former, meaning that he will still be entitled to any early retirement/handshake options that existed under them. Those terms were protected when the change came in and in the way that retirement benefits accrue throughout a CS career, at his level it would be perfectly possible to go at early 50s. And at his point on the CS pay spine if he hasn't got extra salted away then he's being doing something very wrong. He certainly wouldn't be leaving as a poor man if he has stepped down. There are any number who have retired and then been rehired, throughout Government. Edited July 8, 2021 by Non-Believer extra bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 8 hours ago, oooohtony said: Are we not counting fire and police as civil service? Get a promotion at 48. Retire at 50 on pension. Return at 52 on pension and consultancy rate to do the same job you did before. Double bubble. Winner winner, chicken dinner. 6 figure income other no actual skills or qualifications. Ding ding You're completely out of touch. That isn't how it works. Also, anyone that could "retire" at 50 gets hammered on what they get if they take the pension at that point. Fire Brigade and Police are not Civil Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: That isn't how it works. In some cases that is exactly how it has appeared to work. It's a way of trying to keep access to valuable skills and experience. Saves on recruitment expenses. The only problem though is the picture it paints for other staff not so blessed with such insightful managers. Better still if you can "asked to leave" due to "reorganisation or restructuring". I hear the rewards can be really eye watering. But you have to keep quiet.🤫 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: The fire service and police are not civil servants I don't think. However they share the government pension scheme (with different conditions) They are forced to retire early "Re Return at 52 on pension and consultancy rate to do the same job you did before." This is not allowed and how could they anyway. Not much need for 'consultant' firemen. i think crown servants was what flinty said they were,??? but i may be incorrect as usual. , either way the whole retire come back as a consultant is a joke system for those paying for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I reckon you can only retire and return for extra lolly if you’ve got mates in high places, a proper journalist should be looking to join the dots if that’s the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Under the CS pension terms that would apply to Mr Black, he could retire early from 55 onwards and draw his pension. The pension is significantly discounted for every year it is taken early so, if he is 53 he would probably resign and freeze his pension until he is 60. In the meantime he would probably opt to take up alternative employment. The problem with that is that he would have to accept a salary appropriate to his actual worth, which won't be much. The Island has given him a very charmed life for the past few years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, TerryFuchwit said: You're completely out of touch. That isn't how it works. Also, anyone that could "retire" at 50 gets hammered on what they get if they take the pension at that point. Fire Brigade and Police are not Civil Service. There's a surprise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 45 minutes ago, GreyWolf said: I reckon you can only retire and return for extra lolly if you’ve got mates in high places, a proper journalist should be looking to join the dots if that’s the case. Proper journalist? Over here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, joebean said: Under the CS pension terms that would apply to Mr Black, he could retire early from 55 onwards and draw his pension. The pension is significantly discounted for every year it is taken early so, if he is 53 he would probably resign and freeze his pension until he is 60. In the meantime he would probably opt to take up alternative employment. The problem with that is that he would have to accept a salary appropriate to his actual worth, which won't be much. The Island has given him a very charmed life for the past few years. I don't know Mr Black. never met him. I have no idea what his worth in alternative employment might be. But it isn't his fault that the terms of his employment are such as they are. And the same for lots of people. The island has given may people a good way of life (not charmed in all cases I admit) but we haven't done so bad. It could be a lot worse, believe me. And I'm a cynic ! 😀 Edited July 8, 2021 by Apple Add smiley face to try and stay on good terms with everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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