finlo Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, Barlow said: Tim Baker is a plucky guy, and has featured on two video interviews today, with Manx Radio and Paul Moulton Isle of Man TV. But I feel that via him, he is being walked over. It doesn't instill confidence for the future. I agree with him that it is a hugely challenging project for the Isle of Man and tests the ability of the Government to get major projects done. For those and many, many reasons, the project should have been carried out in manageable stages. Obviously. Clearly. And obviously again. It is vert reminiscent of the huge clusterfuck that was and is the IRIS project. I don't think it's come as a surprise to many as it was widely predicted on here as to how it would turn out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, wanderer said: LOL , At 34 seconds , contractor dancing behind him . For context: Edited to add: Baker very much a man waving and drowning in that interview. Edited July 9, 2021 by Roger Mexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: For context : Edited to add: Baker very much a man waving and drowning in that interview. Would love to see some comments from civil engineers, the bridge at Pulrose is more complex than that mess on the prom. Edited July 9, 2021 by Annoymouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Its a road! Not complicated, a big job maybe, but not complicated! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 At what point does somebody say this isn't good enough? As an island we just accept continual BS from those who should be delivering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) Its not a complicated job. Its basic practices carried out on any main road anywhere where dwellings exist. They have managed to balls it up by lack of detailed plans in early months which led to the jumping around of the workforce till plans could be produced. Zero voids found which was the main reason mentioned that it was needed to be done. Auldyn were granted the contract so clearly not enough due diligence was applied to be sure they had the manpower and ability to carry it out. Nobody , and I mean nobody is surprised at this epic DOI failure in the handling of this contract. Apart from anything else the cost to businesses on the Prom is massive. Oh and Baker hasnt a clue about the workings of the contract and whats involved in carrying it out. Early December if we are lucky . Edited July 9, 2021 by Numbnuts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) Not sure what they’re trying to achieve in all honesty, I don’t think anything along the prom compliments our history/heritage, it makes Blackpool look classy. Edited July 9, 2021 by Annoymouse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, NoTail said: Its a road! Not complicated, a big job maybe, but not complicated! Piece of piss really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Piece of piss really You’ve logged in to the wrong account, you use this one to praise anything the Government touches, you should be supporting Mr Baker and sharing your dismay about how he’s been treated. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: For context: Edited to add: Baker very much a man waving and drowning in that interview. Comedy Gold. Moulton running rings around him. That Workman dancing in the background makes that video even better. As Mr Baker is supposed to be an Accountant by profession, I would assume that whilst he isn’t a civil engineer or is experienced in this type of construction, I would like to think Mr Baker would have an ounce of intelligence to understand the cost implications and possibly the contractual implications. Perhaps the Contractors are joining Paul Moulton in running rings around him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 The report on IOM Meats is pretty damming too. Nobody has heard of good governance, it would seem. The upshot is the taxpayer spends £2m supporting the meat plant so it can export Manx meat elsewhere, not for the Manx market, and the regulator is regulating a thing in which it is the majority owner and provides the majority of the board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Annoymouse said: You’ve logged in to the wrong account, you use this one to praise anything the Government touches, you should be supporting Mr Baker and sharing your dismay about how he’s been treated. Wasted on you obviously. Edited July 9, 2021 by The Voice of Reason To provide clarity for one who doesn’t understand sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 30th June Baker states via Manx Radio that the works will be finished in August. On 9th July Manx Radio states that it will not be finished in August and basically they do not know when it will be finished. So did he not tell the truth on 30th June or was he not told the truth?. If the former then he should resign now, if the latter then the officers who told him need to go now. These fantasy press statements from DOI seem to go right back to the start of this project. Back in April 2019 the then minister said The work hailed by Infrastructure Minister Ray Harmer who said the promenade refurbishment was ’making really good steady progress’ He added: ’It is on time and on schedule at the moment which is good news because it is really important to get things moving and its also the first time we’re also installing something that will be used for the future.’ http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=47662&headline=First tracks are laid for the new horse tram line§ionIs=news&searchyear=2019 This at a time when the project was already several weeks behind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, ellanvannin2010 said: On 30th June Baker states via Manx Radio that the works will be finished in August. On 9th July Manx Radio states that it will not be finished in August and basically they do not know when it will be finished. So did he not tell the truth on 30th June or was he not told the truth?. If the former then he should resign now, if the latter then the officers who told him need to go now. These fantasy press statements from DOI seem to go right back to the start of this project. Back in April 2019 the then minister said The work hailed by Infrastructure Minister Ray Harmer who said the promenade refurbishment was ’making really good steady progress’ He added: ’It is on time and on schedule at the moment which is good news because it is really important to get things moving and its also the first time we’re also installing something that will be used for the future.’ http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=47662&headline=First tracks are laid for the new horse tram line§ionIs=news&searchyear=2019 This at a time when the project was already several weeks behind You know, circumstances change, shit happens.Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: You know, circumstances change, shit happens.Get over it. No. Everyone knew it would be a disaster before it started, that the plans were daft, and that it would overrun in both time and money. All anyone normal wanted was a functional road. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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